Marc Guehi

[St. Maximin]

5 minutes ago, Nobody said:

But you can't say "we don't know why he's done it" then, because we do know why he's done it. He's done it because he feels his religion, who is against homosexuality, is more important than the rainbow cause and he felt that the world needs to know that as well. 

I still think that's making assumptions. He may well still support both and has his own foolish way of going about it. If it was so clear his religion was more important and that he didn;t agree with the armband, he could do what the other players have done and not wear the armband at all, and still write that he loves Jesus on his shirt. And anyway we're talking about identity and religion is still very much an important part of his.

 

I get that we see things differently here but I think it's a bit of a pointless debate until we know the true intentions behind something. He's a young man who is in an uncommon position within football and handled it badly (I think we all agree that much). He might end up regretting it after all the criticism and abuse he's got over social media, based on assumptions. 

[Heron]

Marc Gueh8

[Pablo123]

On 04/12/2024 at 11:34, Dr Jinx said:

 

Yes, this cunt! Scribbling a message over a pride armband to basically tell gay people that he doesn't agree with them being a part of football is a cuntish move.

 

If i'm a wanker for believing that then so be it.

The rainbow is a symbol of God. He's never once said he disagree's with anything, so you don't need to get offended. It really shouldn't be a big deal, and you certainly aren't a wanker for having an opinion. 

 

 

[jonny1403]

40 minutes ago, Pablo123 said:

The rainbow is a symbol of God. He's never once said he disagree's with anything, so you don't need to get offended. It really shouldn't be a big deal, and you certainly aren't a wanker for having an opinion. 

 

 

 

He has obviously heavily implied he disagrees with the rainbow laces movement - how is this even up for debate?

[David Edgar]

44 minutes ago, Pablo123 said:

The rainbow is a symbol of God. He's never once said he disagree's with anything, so you don't need to get offended. It really shouldn't be a big deal, and you certainly aren't a wanker for having an opinion. 

 

 

 

Jesus fucking Christ.

[Hovagod]

48 minutes ago, Pablo123 said:

The rainbow is a symbol of God. He's never once said he disagree's with anything, so you don't need to get offended. It really shouldn't be a big deal, and you certainly aren't a wanker for having an opinion. 

 

 

There’s loads and loads of opinions that having would make somebody a wanker, including the one about god not liking gay people.

 

You would probably dislike me if in my opinion you were a thick and hateful cunt. For  example. 

[Hovagod]

On 04/12/2024 at 17:08, St. Maximin said:

I still think that's making assumptions. He may well still support both and has his own foolish way of going about it. If it was so clear his religion was more important and that he didn;t agree with the armband, he could do what the other players have done and not wear the armband at all, and still write that he loves Jesus on his shirt. And anyway we're talking about identity and religion is still very much an important part of his.

 

I get that we see things differently here but I think it's a bit of a pointless debate until we know the true intentions behind something. He's a young man who is in an uncommon position within football and handled it badly (I think we all agree that much). He might end up regretting it after all the criticism and abuse he's got over social media, based on assumptions. 

He hasn’t said anything has he? If I were him and not a homophobic arsehole, I would just put up a thing on Insta stating that and my reasons for putting the message on the armband. And apologising for my father’s comments which misstated my actual intentions. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Pablo123 said:

The rainbow is a symbol of God. He's never once said he disagree's with anything, so you don't need to get offended. It really shouldn't be a big deal, and you certainly aren't a wanker for having an opinion. 

 

 

The rainbow in this instance is obviously not a symbol of god, and he wilfully defaced it to scrawl childish shite about Jesus on it.

 

All he had to do was what the Ipswich captain did and not wear one.  Guehi is a complete wanker for doing what he did. 

[Pablo123]

1 hour ago, Hovagod said:

There’s loads and loads of opinions that having would make somebody a wanker, including the one about god not liking gay people.

 

You would probably dislike me if in my opinion you were a thick and hateful cunt. For  example. 

Why would I hate you for having your own opinion?

 

Don't know what I've said that was hateful,tbh. 

[Pablo123]

41 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

The rainbow in this instance is obviously not a symbol of god, and he wilfully defaced it to scrawl childish shite about Jesus on it.

 

All he had to do was what the Ipswich captain did and not wear one.  Guehi is a complete wanker for doing what he did. 

He didn't have to do anything. I'd have worn it personally, but each to their own.

[LiquidAK]

It's every player's right to refuse to wear the armband if they don't agree with the message (just as it's our right to think they're a hateful cunt for doing so).

 

However, publicly supporting the message that the armband represents (that everyone regardless of sexual orientation is welcome at a football match) is something that a captain has to do regardless of their personal beliefs. They need to set aside whatever their own view on it is and support the inclusive message that the club and the league have signed up to.

If they can't do that, they shouldn't be captain. They're not being forced - if they accept the captaincy this comes along with it and if that's a dealbreaker for them, they aren't captain material.

[Ronson333]

A lot of recent signup’s on this topic..

[KennyUtd]

1 hour ago, Hovagod said:

He hasn’t said anything has he? If I were him and not a homophobic arsehole, I would just put up a thing on Insta stating that and my reasons for putting the message on the armband. And apologising for my father’s comments which misstated my actual intentions. 

He has. He said he wanted to say Jesus loves everyone and he loves Jesus and never intended to disrespect anyone. Fair enough I think.

[KennyUtd]

3 minutes ago, KennyUtd said:

He has. He said he wanted to say Jesus loves everyone and he loves Jesus and never intended to disrespect anyone. Fair enough I think.

I take that back. It was dad who commented. My mistake. 😬

[WilliamPS]

The FA totally bottled the England team wearing the rainbow armbands in Qatar so it would be a bit two faced of them to punish someone else for what they do with it. They had their chance to make a stand and decided it wasn’t important enough for them.

 

 

Edited December 6 by WilliamPS

[Checko]

As far as I can see there's two reasons for him to write 'Jesus loves you' on the rainbow armband:

 

1. To extra emphasise his support for gay people. It's not just him supporing them, it's God too.

 

2. To publically message that he's a Christian and so signal that he doesn't actually support Pride.

 

Let's be realistic here, it's 2. 'God loves the man He just hates the act' is the classic way it's put. 'No we're not being hateful or discriminating against you, because as we said, Jesus loves you. Yes I think you're going to hell, even though you're not actually negatively affecting anyone in any way, but Jesus still loves you so we're cool. You just need to change a fundamental thing about yourself to avoid all-powerful God condeming you to eternal damnation but He still loves you. Clearly.'

 

 

Edited December 6 by Checko

[Heron]

3 hours ago, David Edgar said:

 

Jesus fucking Christ.

I hope not. His Daddy will not tolerate it.

[Heron]

2 hours ago, LiquidAK said:

It's every player's right to refuse to wear the armband if they don't agree with the message (just as it's our right to think they're a hateful cunt for doing so).

 

However, publicly supporting the message that the armband represents (that everyone regardless of sexual orientation is welcome at a football match) is something that a captain has to do regardless of their personal beliefs. They need to set aside whatever their own view on it is and support the inclusive message that the club and the league have signed up to.

If they can't do that, they shouldn't be captain. They're not being forced - if they accept the captaincy this comes along with it and if that's a dealbreaker for them, they aren't captain material.

It doesn't mean they aren't captain material. Just not captain material for that organisation.

[LiquidAK]

3 minutes ago, Heron said:

It doesn't mean they aren't captain material. Just not captain material for that organisation.

Not really sure on the distinction there. If he can't back that message without diluting it then he shouldn't captain a premier league team - representing the club in that way is part of the job. It's not a comment on his leadership ability.

[Heron]

13 minutes ago, LiquidAK said:

Not really sure on the distinction there. If he can't back that message without diluting it then he shouldn't captain a premier league team - representing the club in that way is part of the job. It's not a comment on his leadership ability.

That was the distinction I was making. He may well be a good leader or captain material - just not for a club aligning with those principals.

[St. Maximin]

4 hours ago, Hovagod said:

He hasn’t said anything has he? If I were him and not a homophobic arsehole, I would just put up a thing on Insta stating that and my reasons for putting the message on the armband. And apologising for my father’s comments which misstated my actual intentions. 

He said this today: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/clyj2e3dg14o.amp

 

To be honest I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, he’s been an idiot and he’s continued to handle it badly, but some of the outrage is crazy and based on assumptions. All this “he clearly doesn’t support the campaign”, “clearly doesn’t object to footballers being abused being for gay” stuff. We’re so quick to make judgments on what at times very silly young men think because they aren’t wearing an armband, taking the knee or wearing a poppy, rather than figuring out there may be more context. We have that with McLean, yet apparently there’s no leeway here. 
 

I sound like a broken record here, but he comes from a Christian background and holds biblical views that he, rightly or wrongly, might feel puts him in a conflicted position. He also may well be aware that the rainbow flag can be used politically and this may also not make him feel comfortable as a Christian, so wants to stress he doesn’t support some of those causes that are separate to homophobia in football. So as a result of those combined, he might feel the need to approach it differently. That doesn’t mean it’s right and it doesn’t mean he’s right in his understanding of the campaign, but it shows there might be some more complexities here entirely unsurprisingly. Like I keep saying, nowhere does being asked to wear a poppy mean you’re celebrating British armed forces killing people in NI. 

 

Can’t we just accept these nuances rather than just make all these inferences from thinking the worst in someone? You can still think he’s a complete idiot for what he’s done but he maybe, just maybe, isn’t quite the disgusting evil homophone he’s made out to be purely because he mentioned loving Jesus on his armband. 
 

Still bit of a weird thing to do mind. 
 

 

 

 

Edited December 7 by St. Maximin

[TheBrownBottle]

4 hours ago, Pablo123 said:

He didn't have to do anything. I'd have worn it personally, but each to their own.

No, he actually had three choices - wear a rainbow one, wear a regular one, or renounce the captaincy.  What he did is actually against FA regs, as well as being the act of a simple-minded wanker. 

[TheBrownBottle]

21 minutes ago, St. Maximin said:

He said this today: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/clyj2e3dg14o.amp

 

To be honest I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, he’s been an idiot and he’s continued to handle it badly, but some of the outrage is crazy and based on assumptions. All this “he clearly doesn’t support the campaign”, “clearly doesn’t object to footballers being abused being for gay” stuff. We’re so quick to make judgments on what at times very silly young men think because they aren’t wearing an armband, taking the knee or wearing a poppy, rather than figuring out there may be more context. We have that with McLean, yet apparently there’s no leeway here. 
 

I sound like a broken record here, but he comes from a Christian background and holds biblical views that he, rightly or wrongly, might feel puts him in a conflicted position. He also may well be aware that the rainbow flag can be used politically and this may also not make him feel comfortable as a Christian, so wants to stress he doesn’t support some of those causes that are separate to homophobia in football. So as a result of those combined, he might feel the need to approach it differently. That doesn’t mean it’s right and it doesn’t mean he’s right in his understanding of the campaign, but it shows there might be some more complexities here entirely unsurprisingly. Like I keep saying, nowhere does being asked to wear a poppy mean you’re celebrating British armed forces killing people in NI. 

 

Can’t we just accept these nuances rather than just make all these inferences from thinking the worst in someone? You can still think he’s a complete idiot for what he’s done but he maybe, just maybe, isn’t quite the disgusting evil homophone he’s made out to be purely because he mentioned loving Jesus on his armband. 
 

Still bit of a weird thing to do mind. 
 

 

 

 

 

Nah, it’s a patently homophobic move.  He just comes across as being a bit of a thick cunt. 

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, WilliamPS said:

The FA totally bottled the England team wearing the rainbow armbands in Qatar so it would be a bit two faced of them to punish someone else for what they do with it. They had their chance to make a stand and decided it wasn’t important enough for them.

 

 

 

It’s not quite the same thing, though it was a disgrace that the England team bottled it

[St. Maximin]

13 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Nah, it’s a patently homophobic move.  He just comes across as being a bit of a thick cunt. 

Oh come on, you can engage with all my points you know . 

 

He wrote he loves Jesus ffs. It’s not hard to see why he might feel a bit uncomfortable over the whole thing if you’re willing to consider the context and complexities. 

 

Either that or Jesus was far more vocal about homosexuality in football then I realised. 
 

 

 

 

Edited December 7 by St. Maximin