Anthony Elanga

[Pixelphish]

Just now, TRC said:

What do we really expect Howe to do with him? I feel like given his skillset it’s wishful thinking.

 

He turned Joelinton into a powerhouse midfielder who still lacks top level passing, technical ability and end product. You can’t do that with a winger.

I'm just grasping tbh @TRC for the humanist in me because he comes across a sound lad who's genuinely excited to be here. So for everyone involved I want him to come good.

[TRC]

5 minutes ago, Pixelphish said:

I'm just grasping tbh @TRC for the humanist in me because he comes across a sound lad who's genuinely excited to be here. So for everyone involved I want him to come good.

Yeah me too. I think if we don’t get Europe next season and we go back to a hyper press every game he will do very well but we just can’t do that this year playing every 3 days.

[Kid Icarus]

1 hour ago, TRC said:

What do we really expect Howe to do with him? I feel like given his skillset it’s wishful thinking.

 

He turned Joelinton into a powerhouse midfielder who still lacks top level passing, technical ability and end product. You can’t do that with a winger.

 

Turning Joelinton into a powerhouse midfielder who was at one point probably one of the best midfielders in the league doesn't seem as big a deal now that it's happened, but I think it's a case of taking it for granted now. The transformation was miraculous. 

 

Turning Elanga into the same effective winger that he was last season would be a success and still be nowhere near the transformation we saw with Joelinton and others. 

 

 

Edited February 23 by Kid Icarus

[TRC]

5 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Turning Joelinton into a powerhouse midfielder who was at one point probably one of the best midfielders in the league doesn't seem as big a deal now that it's happened, but I think it's a case of taking it for granted now. The transformation was miraculous. 

 

Turning Elanga into the same effective winger that he was last season would be a success and still be nowhere near the transformation we saw with Joelinton and others. 

 

 

 

I’m not saying it wasn’t brilliant, but Howe realised Joelinton is probably the strongest midfielder in the league and that is huge. Then obviously he needs to teach him the tactical discipline.

 

I remember the tank that is Scott Mctominay losing ever duel and bouncing off him a few years ago, teams and opposition fans are genuinely nervous about playing Joelinton.

 

Not taking anything away from that I just don’t think that improvement also works with Elanga.

[Kid Icarus]

6 minutes ago, TRC said:

I’m not saying it wasn’t brilliant, but Howe realised Joelinton is probably the strongest midfielder in the league and that is huge. Then obviously he needs to teach him the tactical discipline.

 

I remember the tank that is Scott Mctominay losing ever duel and bouncing off him a few years ago, teams and opposition fans are genuinely nervous about playing Joelinton.

 

Not taking anything away from that I just don’t think that improvement also works with Elanga.

 

Imo that's just the nature of the improvement we saw in Joelinton and it's a great example because of how extraordinary it was, but it's by no means the only example. You only need to look at how much Miggy, Gordon, Hall, Murphy, Longstaff to an extent extracted everything out of what they had through Howe's coaching. 

 

The evidence with Elanga already exists as well if you look at his output last season, so I remain pretty confident that we'll see a big improvement. 

[Parsley]

49 minutes ago, TRC said:

I’m not saying it wasn’t brilliant, but Howe realised Joelinton is probably the strongest midfielder in the league and that is huge. Then obviously he needs to teach him the tactical discipline.

 

I remember the tank that is Scott Mctominay losing ever duel and bouncing off him a few years ago, teams and opposition fans are genuinely nervous about playing Joelinton.

 

Not taking anything away from that I just don’t think that improvement also works with Elanga.

Howe turned Jacob Murphy into one of the most productive wingers in the league over the past couple of seasons, arguably with less to work with than Elanga. I'm still optimistic he'll turn the corner. 

[Begbie]

2 hours ago, TRC said:

Yeah me too. I think if we don’t get Europe next season and we go back to a hyper press every game he will do very well but we just can’t do that this year playing every 3 days.

Ofc we can. We just need to trust the system and not the players.

[TRC]

20 minutes ago, Parsley said:

Howe turned Jacob Murphy into one of the most productive wingers in the league over the past couple of seasons, arguably with less to work with than Elanga. I'm still optimistic he'll turn the corner. 

Murphy had a great season last year but this year and the year before his output was poor to average.

[Vinny Green Balls]

1 minute ago, TRC said:

Murphy had a great season last year but this year and the year before his output was poor to average.

Murphy had a good output season for 23/24 given the amount of minutes he played (11 goal involvements in the PL). Look at his stats again.

 

What is with all this revisionism? It wasn't that long ago.

[Andy]

I guess the only problem with the "Howe polishing turds" thing is that, more often than not, the ones he does polish eventually end up regressing back to the mean. There's only Joelinton really that's sustained it for a prolonged period of time and a lot of that was probably helped by his own mentality too, and more likely it was the positional change and players around him that transformed him as much as the miraculous coaching. 

 

Murphy also comes close but he fitted our system like a glove when Isak was up top, and now looks his old self again. It's hard to say whether he was polished or whether Isak's elite movement made him look better than he is. 

 

There's probably an argument for Gordon too, but until the last few weeks he'd also regressed and it remains to be seen with him. 

 

As good as Eddie is, the player has to have the right tools to begin with for him to get the best out of them, and I'm not currently convinced that Elanga in this team, in this system, has the right tools. 

[oldtype]

41 minutes ago, Andy said:

I guess the only problem with the "Howe polishing turds" thing is that, more often than not, the ones he does polish eventually end up regressing back to the mean. There's only Joelinton really that's sustained it for a prolonged period of time and a lot of that was probably helped by his own mentality too, and more likely it was the positional change and players around him that transformed him as much as the miraculous coaching. 

 

Murphy also comes close but he fitted our system like a glove when Isak was up top, and now looks his old self again. It's hard to say whether he was polished or whether Isak's elite movement made him look better than he is. 

 

There's probably an argument for Gordon too, but until the last few weeks he'd also regressed and it remains to be seen with him. 

 

As good as Eddie is, the player has to have the right tools to begin with for him to get the best out of them, and I'm not currently convinced that Elanga in this team, in this system, has the right tools.

 

I suspect the team and system will both have changed a decent amount next season, and he's been an effective premier league starter before. It's not ideal that he hasn't hit the ground running, but I think it's far too early to conclude that there's nothing in there to salvage.

[TRC]

1 hour ago, Andy said:

I guess the only problem with the "Howe polishing turds" thing is that, more often than not, the ones he does polish eventually end up regressing back to the mean. There's only Joelinton really that's sustained it for a prolonged period of time and a lot of that was probably helped by his own mentality too, and more likely it was the positional change and players around him that transformed him as much as the miraculous coaching. 

 

Murphy also comes close but he fitted our system like a glove when Isak was up top, and now looks his old self again. It's hard to say whether he was polished or whether Isak's elite movement made him look better than he is. 

 

There's probably an argument for Gordon too, but until the last few weeks he'd also regressed and it remains to be seen with him. 

 

As good as Eddie is, the player has to have the right tools to begin with for him to get the best out of them, and I'm not currently convinced that Elanga in this team, in this system, has the right tools. 

I would love us to sign players who fit our system that are currently being misused or not fitted to their current system.

 

Someone will get a bargain on Elanga same with Wissa and possibly Woltemade as they aren’t bad players just don’t quite fit what we are trying to do.

 

Some of Spurs players are top quality but struggling in poor systems or players that really help them being injured.

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Andy said:

I guess the only problem with the "Howe polishing turds" thing is that, more often than not, the ones he does polish eventually end up regressing back to the mean. There's only Joelinton really that's sustained it for a prolonged period of time and a lot of that was probably helped by his own mentality too, and more likely it was the positional change and players around him that transformed him as much as the miraculous coaching. 

 

Murphy also comes close but he fitted our system like a glove when Isak was up top, and now looks his old self again. It's hard to say whether he was polished or whether Isak's elite movement made him look better than he is. 

 

There's probably an argument for Gordon too, but until the last few weeks he'd also regressed and it remains to be seen with him. 

 

As good as Eddie is, the player has to have the right tools to begin with for him to get the best out of them, and I'm not currently convinced that Elanga in this team, in this system, has the right tools. 

I don’t think Gordon has looked any better than the Everton version of Gordon outside of 23/24. 

[Kid Icarus]

2 hours ago, Andy said:

I guess the only problem with the "Howe polishing turds" thing is that, more often than not, the ones he does polish eventually end up regressing back to the mean. There's only Joelinton really that's sustained it for a prolonged period of time and a lot of that was probably helped by his own mentality too, and more likely it was the positional change and players around him that transformed him as much as the miraculous coaching. 

 

Murphy also comes close but he fitted our system like a glove when Isak was up top, and now looks his old self again. It's hard to say whether he was polished or whether Isak's elite movement made him look better than he is. 

 

There's probably an argument for Gordon too, but until the last few weeks he'd also regressed and it remains to be seen with him. 

 

As good as Eddie is, the player has to have the right tools to begin with for him to get the best out of them, and I'm not currently convinced that Elanga in this team, in this system, has the right tools. 

I think you can argue that they maybe peak and then plateau at a level below that peak, but not a single one of them has regressed to the level they were at pre-Howe.

 

All of them at their worst under Howe are still levels above the players they were when he first got his hands on them. 

[Erikse]

4 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Turning Joelinton into a powerhouse midfielder who was at one point probably one of the best midfielders in the league doesn't seem as big a deal now that it's happened, but I think it's a case of taking it for granted now. The transformation was miraculous. 

 

Turning Elanga into the same effective winger that he was last season would be a success and still be nowhere near the transformation we saw with Joelinton and others. 

 

 

 

 

I think a big part of the transformation came from simply deciding to play him in midfield instead of up top (he was never a striker). There was still a lot of work to be done to make him 100% comfortable in that position as it was still a new role for him, but I think the first few months after getting moved to a new position was his best spell as a midfielder for us since Howe came. Atleast the most consistent. The improvement was instant. He has had some great spells after those first few months, but not as good as those first few months imo. I remember that he topped several stats for midfielders in that forst period, for instance he was nr. 1 in the league for tackles per 90 by a mile, which was an instant effect after changing position.

[La Parka]

Murph is in decline because he's old for a winger. We've seen his best. I say this as a Murphy Stan. He's still got the delivery but his pace is dropping off so he's not got it to dig him out.

 

Elanga just feels like his "heads gone" after a bad start. Sometimes the only thing to do in that situation is start over. I want him to come good because he seems a good lad. 

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

Hes not getting off Scott free either for today, the hopeless tit 

[Minhosa]

Another game and yet again ZERO contribution. 
 

Total waste of money when Jacob Murphy replaces you and does miles better. 
 

Fucking shite. 

[Pilko]

It's a confidence problem that he keeps hitting every corner into the first man. He's actually a world beater and it's the crowd's fault for not being delighted with him.

[andycap]

I thought he was really lively today tried and did beat his man linked up well with Ramsey. Far too harsh in here like. 

[nufc123]

Just now, andycap said:

I thought he was really lively today tried and did beat his man linked up well with Ramsey. Far too harsh in here like. 

Aye was thinking the same. The bar is so extremely comical low, but I wasnt angry at him today 

[Mikky]

I really don’t know what he is supposed to do out there - there’s no apparent plan for him - he just looks totally lost and clueless 

[andycap]

They all do though. 😂 

[Barnes23]

6 minutes ago, andycap said:

I thought he was really lively today tried and did beat his man linked up well with Ramsey. Far too harsh in here like. 

 

Aye, I actually thought today was one of his best games for us. It's a low bar, admittedly, but even so. 

 

 

Edited February 28 by Barnes23

[Wallsendmag]

Utter shit. Nothing else to add.