r0cafella Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 6 minutes ago, The Butcher said: "The biggest disappointments for me have been that the window has killed my confidence in the ability of those running the club. Their competence has to seriously come into question" Agreed @Skeletor I mentioned the other day that Staveley said we'd challenge for the title in 5-10 years just after the takeover. We're miles behind schedule if that's still the goal. According to the gaffa that time scale is more like 10 years now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 2/10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 I blame the DH Gate strip buyers. A few more genuine strip purchases would have got us over the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 1/10 Considering start of May, club probably had in mind getting Freedman in, Tosin and a top RW, then needed to pivot to Guehi after Tosin went elsewhere, and likely wanted to move on a few players. We failed in all that. Got Kelly who will be a scrap back up defender, Osula who we won’t hardly see, and some Greek GK who won’t ever appear for us. On top of all that, we were a panicking mess come PSR deadline, which saw a promising player in Anderson needing to be sold in a dodgy deal which leaves us with that Greek goalkeeper for however many years his contract runs for, and losing Minteh who will forever be a what if, whilst we roll out the same RWs from the 2010s. Keeping likes of Bruno / Gordon / Isak shouldn’t be used to bump window rating up, when we didn’t face any serious bids for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 (edited) Simply not good enough. Edited August 31 by Theregulars Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 (edited) Outgoings - 8 Incomings - 4 Edited August 31 by KDT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 1/10. It's caused more damage than good. Hope they are planning for January straight away but we don't tend to buy until the end of that month or sometimes not at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Embarrassing is a good word for it, from the scramble with PSR which seen us sell Minteh and Anderson and hawk Gordon around, to the attempts to sign Elanga on the last day of the window, it shows poor planning on our behalf and makes us look amateurish. We have come across undignified in our dealings. The whole PSR and it has to be the perfect player as we can’t afford to get it wrong thing is nonsense, every club in the league has to abide by PSR yet I have never known a club that fearful of getting a signing wrong that they are paralysed in the market. We have kept Isak, Bruno and Gordon, but we were open to Gordon moving and I don’t doubt if we received a suitable offer for any of them then they would have been sold. We have signed Hall because there was an obligation to sign him as part of the loan, I don’t think the club would have signed him permanently for the money paid if there was any way of getting out of that, we talk about not being able to make a mistake in the transfer window but have been forced to sign a defender that cannot defend. I understand wanting players that are Premier League ready but we are boxing ourselves in in terms of price and options when we insist on predominantly doing business here, the narrow group of options has really came back to bite us. If we lose against Spurs then I can see the crown turning and causing a snowball effect that is going to be difficult to stop, so hopefully we can pick up the win to stop this before it starts. While some fans don’t like the theory, I don’t see a working relationship between Howe and Mitchell working long term and I think one of them will be gone this time next season, possibly Howe who I think will either take the England job or be sacked if we don’t qualify for europe, which has been made more difficult now. It is easy to say to fans that there is no point in moaning about it as we can’t change it but every defeat or poor performance this window will be pointed to as being responsible. Difficult times ahead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 (edited) Shitty window If we’re serious about being a top end side then we need much better squad depth My main question is how come we were a less attractive and underesourced club but still identified and landed Trippier, Bruno, Botman, Isak, Tonali, Gordon & Pope. And Livramento, Barnes and Hall aren’t in that bracket yet but are good players for decent money. 2 windows have now gone past without a single player coming in who you could compare to that group What’s changed in our scouting and signing process ? I treat 98% of Twatter rumours as complete lies, but I do get the impression we’re targeting a small number of great players, but not landing them So by default we’re targeting the wrong players Edited August 31 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said: Shitty window If we’re serious about being a top end side then we need a better squad My main question is how come we were a less attractive and underesourced club but still identified and landed Trippier, Bruno, Botman, Isak, Tonali, Gordon & Pope. And Livramento, Barnes and Hall aren’t in that bracket yet but are good players for decent money. 2 windows have now gone past without a single player coming in who you could compare to that group What’s changed in our scouting and signing process ? If you look and have a look at the links since Tonalis ban 90% of them are British based, we are absolutely petrified of making another mistake and have essentially locked our self into the most stupidly inflated market in the world in a league which has more financial controls than a multi national bank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 (edited) The real problem I have with people saying we haven't wasted anything on players who aren't good enough to get us where we want to be is that we've now stagnated long enough not to be a particularly attractive proposition to that sort of player any more. You don't get them just by saying We Are Newcastle, You Have Been Chosen and being careful with financial regulations. Sometimes you have to just buy players who are enough to make you a solid and competitive unit, players like we know Howe is good at polishing to a sparkle. Would far rather have seen a couple of players around the Harvey Barnes level arrive this summer than spend the whole thing pursuing a relatively unknown quantity whose star was only on the rise because of an international break. Edited August 31 by OpenC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Didn't Ornstein pretty much debunk the Gordon stuff? He said Liverpool made an "arms length enquiry" that was rejected Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Just now, OpenC said: The real problem I have with people saying we haven't wasted anything on players who aren't good enough to get us where we want to be is that we've now stagnated long enough not to be an attractive proposition to that sort of player any more. You don't get them just by saying We Are Newcastle, You Have Been Chosen and being careful with financial regulations. Sometimes you have to just buy players who are enough to make you a solid and competitive unit, players like we know Howe is good at polishing to a sparkle. Would far rather have seen a couple of players around the Harvey Barnes level arrive this summer than spend the whole thing pursuing a relatively unknown quantity whose star was only on the rise because of an international break. My friend the argument doesn’t wash, we had 70m to spend yet we are starting Krafth Murphy Miggy or longstaff. It’s obvious our failings this window can not be blamed solely on psr or having the right players available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 44 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: What's your point? It could have been far worse. We didn't actually sell AG fwiw. Some people are going on like he's about to chuck himself off the Tyne Bridge. We offered him to Liverpool for a crazy amount which they turned down. We value him more than Liverpool do - why would he be upset with that? Why would a player be unsettled/upset by his club offering him for sale to another club? Does that really need to be explained? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 (edited) That Waugh and Caulkin article is damning if true mind. An absolute train-wreck of a transfer window that no amount of PMA changes. If it's true, it certainly looks like Eales and Mitchell are doing Howe a massive disservice, potentially deliberately. Edited August 31 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 I have a question for everyone mind. 1, do we believe the club has a preference to sign players with PL experience? 2, if yes, do we believe this preference is the manager or the clubs? 3, do we believe we can juggle psr with this preference? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 I think we’re too bloody compliant. Man U were not within the PSR rules and were able to use some excuse. Chelsea have ignored the rules with impunity. Forest who have much less commercial income than us are always spending. No one is as scared as us which I don’t get. (Surely having Saudi owners means you can always buy someone off here and there) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 (edited) 32 minutes ago, r0cafella said: If you look and have a look at the links since Tonalis ban 90% of them are British based, we are absolutely petrified of making another mistake and have essentially locked our self into the most stupidly inflated market in the world in a league which has more financial controls than a multi national bank. There’s so much absolute bollocks floating about on Twatter that it’s impossible to know who we’ve actually been in for and where they’re playing But let’s assume the Olise, Tosin, Guehi and Mamardashvili links had enough in them to be true. All great players but three had more attractive suitors, and one had a club who didn’t want to sell That’s not a failure in identification of great players or players whose fee we can afford, it’s a failure in understanding how attractive the player thinks NUFC are if Bayern, Chelsea or Liverpool also come in for them. And that failure happened 3 times Plus 1 failure in understanding whether a club actually wants to sell 4 times isn’t bad luck, its an ambitious but flawed recruitment strategy Edited August 31 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 4 minutes ago, r0cafella said: I have a question for everyone mind. 1, do we believe the club has a preference to sign players with PL experience? 2, if yes, do we believe this preference is the manager or the clubs? 3, do we believe we can juggle psr with this preference? Buy world class prospects from overseas, and develop local prospects yourself. That’s the best way to grow your club under PSR Buy inflated, fully developed, max priced player whose value will only go downwards, is the worst way This isn’t hard to grasp anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 29 minutes ago, Sibierski said: 1/10 Considering start of May, club probably had in mind getting Freedman in, Tosin and a top RW, then needed to pivot to Guehi after Tosin went elsewhere, and likely wanted to move on a few players. We failed in all that. Got Kelly who will be a scrap back up defender, Osula who we won’t hardly see, and some Greek GK who won’t ever appear for us. On top of all that, we were a panicking mess come PSR deadline, which saw a promising player in Anderson needing to be sold in a dodgy deal which leaves us with that Greek goalkeeper for however many years his contract runs for, and losing Minteh who will forever be a what if, whilst we roll out the same RWs from the 2010s. Keeping likes of Bruno / Gordon / Isak shouldn’t be used to bump window rating up, when we didn’t face any serious bids for them. Everton might take the Greek keeper next summer when we have to go through all this again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Again, poor window and a blip for incoming recruitment, which has largely been very good. All we can ask if that lessons are taken on board and it isn't repeated. I find the catastrophizing a bit over the top though. We're still an attractive, ambitious project and all of our best players aren't suddenly going to leave. Yes, I think we could be vulnerable to selling one of them next summer, but I'd have thought that regardless. We're still more than capable of top six and an enjoyable season. Granted we're now vulnerable to injury than we needed to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 I hope Sanusi and Finneran have breakout seasons like Miley and become actual first teamers like Kobbie Mainoo and Garnacho last year, which saved Man U. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarralad Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 This window has put us back 18 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Bowyer transfer window. 3/10 Maybe some of the kids will step up eventually but it's probably just psr nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Utter wank. I thought this was the beginning of the end for Howe a while ago, this window kind of confirms it for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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