Keggy_Keagal Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 10 minutes ago, black_n_white said: Again, when was the step forward? I thought or maybe it should be hoped that the Liverpool performance and the success of Tonali, Bruno and Joelinton in our midfield had shown Howe the way forward. I was obviously wrong. Starting to worry he's got the death spiral blinkers on of a manager near the end of his reign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BermyToon Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Won't be a walkover on the 18th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 1 minute ago, Earp said: We played well first half it was the second half that we were dog shit We didn't play well enough to put them away. We are nowhere near good enough to rotate like we did, end up on the back foot and then try and come back with subs later on. Lost track of how many times this has been the case this season. We have to start with our strongest team at the minute and pile pressure on these sorts of teams early on to try and demoralise them and put them away. If players then tire we can make changes then. A big part of the reason we were so vulnerable in transition today again was losing Tonali in midfield and it has cost us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 2 minutes ago, Andy said: I said it in the pre match thread, but if the decision was purely based on rotation and not injuries, then for me it sends entirely the wrong message over which game was the priority. Games like this need to be the priority for the manager and the players, 3 points against (and taken from) Brentford is far more valuable than 1 point against Liverpool. With that said, it's hard to see the performances against the big 6 as anything other than shop window performances at this point. Liverpool performance was fantastic but if those players can't play again on the weekend, it's not sustainable. I don't know why the starting XI changed, or keeps changing for that matter. Is it a stream of niggly injuries? I dont know if Howe doesn't know his best XI, or if he's selecting his XI to game plan for his opponents - but I really don't like it tbh We don't have a consistent identity yet, for parts to rotate and the team philosophy to seamlessly remain intact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BergenMagpie Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Just now, Roha said: I have no love for 5under1and. But you go ahead and think what you want. You seemingly have no grasp on reality, and I feel bad for you. Give us some thoughts then instead of trolling down the board after we lose away to the best home team in the league. Very happy for you to take your pity/frustration out on me as that will help everyone who has to interact with you otherwise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: The starting line-up was the exact opposite of our problem today, we went to absolute shit when the players everyone thought should be starting came on. Just now, KaKa said: We didn't play well enough to put them away. We are nowhere near good enough to rotate like we did, end up on the back foot and then try and come back with subs later on. Lost track of how many times this has been the case this season. We have to start with our strongest team at the minute and pile pressure on these sorts of teams early on to try and demoralise them and put them away. If players then tire we can make changes then. A big part of the reason we were so vulnerable in transition today again was losing Tonali in midfield and it has cost us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Pundit Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: If we’re out of both cups by the end of January then the pressure will start to build I think. We can’t keep playing like this - not helped by what felt like a really odd team selection. I actually think this is very likely, just based on league results as things are going. I really don't like saying that, it's different to previous managers over the last few years because I honestly like Eddie, he seems like a genuinely nice guy and has been really good for us. But something is definitely off right now, everything feels a bit rotten, stale, from top to bottom, and I don't think the owners will stick with it for long. The brownie points from that first season and the fact there's no excuses like their was with the injuries last season, has to be taken into account. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Feel desperately sad over anger tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 7 minutes ago, St1pe said: If football was built entirely on figures Chelsea would have won the title every year. Two wingers that can only play the same position and neither to a top 4 level on a consistent basis. We’ve got Bruno, Isak and probably Botman that’s really top level and the others either have potential or aren’t there and never will be. Not saying Howe is exempt from blame again but we can beat anyone on our day. Some of those players need to question why they need the big games to show up. We were behind when they came on... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 12 minutes ago, Roha said: It feels pretty sad having that being true. Time will tell, but for me we don't turn on Eddie yet. I would think if things don't improve, then that'll be a moot point, as he'll be sacked anyhoo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DahnSahf Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 3 minutes ago, Sima said: Isak-level signings aren’t coming to us anymore. This is the problem with PSR - it's not just the money, it's the realisation among players and agents that 'the project' is being well and truly stalled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keggy_Keagal Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Howe would have played the best midfield available away to Liverpool or Arsenal for example. He's completely disrespected Brentford (best home record in the league) and that on top of not acceptable from a Sunday league side defending has cost us ......again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Pundit Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Just now, Pixelphish said: Feel desperately sad over anger tbh. And I think part of that, for me, is because I don't want to see Eddie fail, as much as anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: The starting line-up was the exact opposite of our problem today, we went to absolute shit when the players everyone thought should be starting came on. Tonali isn't an impact player. Midfielders like him grow into games and control the tempo. Throwing him on to change the game when you're losing isn't the answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 (edited) CALLED IT (almost) Edited December 7 by Conjo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Just now, Pixelphish said: Feel desperately sad over anger tbh. Likewise. Maybe I’m mellowing with age but my piss isn’t boiling. Perhaps slightly above normal temperature. Just feels like we’re watching a team not playing for Howe, who I think is a decent man. But the outcome when that starts happening is usually the same each time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: The starting line-up was the exact opposite of our problem today, we went to absolute shit when the players everyone thought should be starting came on. Maybe because he always brings them on when we are chasing a game ? The ideal time was to change at half time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Generational head loss over at Casa Disco. Fewming. Haven’t been this angry after a game for a while. A total embarrassment of a second half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Just now, Conjo said: CALLED IT To be fair you can post that most games and be correct lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 It's just awful management in key moments - Howe obviously takes responsibility but some of the players should be embarrassed as well. Numerous defensive brainfarts, Isak fucking about after rounding the 'keeper AGAIN for the chance to go up which is crucial in away games. For me, we just don't look a serious enough team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Just now, HaydnNUFC said: £55m on Tonali £40m on Barnes £35m on Livramento £28m on Hall £15m on Osula Not counting the Greek fella as that was purely for PSR. But we've been absolutely tragic in the league all season outside of 3 matches. Thing is that we’d be a damn sight worse off if it wasn’t for three of those players. Howe needs to try something different. We don’t have Trippier overlapping and whipping in cross after cross any more. That flat-ish midfield three doesn’t allow us to get the best out of Tonali or Bruno and is very easy to play through at times. If Gordon isn’t on it then we’re essentially fucked as an attacking force and Isak ends up isolated. He needs to be ruthless now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Can't call a vile showing across a whole half of football 'dumb mistake' imo, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Just now, SUPERTOON said: Maybe because he always brings them on when we are chasing a game ? The ideal time was to change at half time. Why? The game went to shit probably due to the insane winds tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roha Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Just now, BergenMagpie said: Give us some thoughts then instead of trolling down the board after we lose away to the best home team in the league. Very happy for you to take your pity/frustration out on me as that will help everyone who has to interact with you otherwise As stated - I believe he has gone as far as he could. We have been awful away from home the last 2 years. Last year he could have his "injuries" excuse, it was somewhat valid. But this year we are facing the same issues, he has not fixed a single thing. We still have the gaping sea of a zone in between the midfield and defensive line. Our forwards get isolated and have nothing to play on. The 3 flat doesn't work and when you see how good Tonali works in a double-pivot for Italy it makes you really wonder what our manager is doing. Kelly has shown himself as a really poor signing, using big money on two LW's when RW was a glaring issue was a poor, poor choice. Then we made a fool of ourselves in terms of PSR due to our boardroom. Our Keeper hasn't been the same since his injury and it doesn't help that the people ahead of him is so slow that you could pass them in a wheelchair. Howe seems to not want to change his system, cant break down teams that go and pack in flat. We have one way to play, and it works against teams that doesnt want to hold back. But as soon as they park it a bit, we have nothing. Our key players are not getting any joy. And that is down to the system and the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Just now, Hanshithispantz said: Why? The game went to shit probably due to the insane winds tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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