Cf Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Obviously things are difficult at the moment so I thought I'd go through the squad to see the overall quality of it. The rankings are simple: top 4, 6, 10, 20. Essentially would that player easily start for a hypothetical team who finished in those positions. e.g. Isak I think would find a place in a top 4 side, but I think Gordon would struggle to. My rankings are below. My takeaway is whilst we have a number of good players overall quality is a bit thin on the ground. And this is where PSR starts to hurt us. Most teams aren't going to have a squad full of Top 4s - but ours is skewed too much towards the bottom. Top 4 Isak Botman (pre injury, remains to be seen following) Hall (given more development) Top 6 Bruno Gordon Tonali Top 10 Livramento Joelinton Barnes Willock (glass) Top 20 Pope Schar (age a factor) Burn (age a factor) Longstaff Wilson (age/glass a factor) Trippier (age a factor) Kelly Targett (maybe) Krafth Lascelles Not Good Enough Murphy Almiron Dubravka Future Prospects Miley (looks good) Osula Murphy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepharite Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Gordon into top 4 for me. Not seen enough of Tonali to put him in that bracket yet but feel he'll be there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 That's bullshit about Murphy. He's been the best option on the right, created the chances yesterday. Possibly top 10 maximum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 4 minutes ago, La Parka said: That's bullshit about Murphy. He's been the best option on the right, created the chances yesterday. Possibly top 10 maximum. That says more about our options at RW more than it does about Murphy. He isn’t good enough and definitely someone we should be moving on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 12 minutes ago, La Parka said: That's bullshit about Murphy. He's been the best option on the right, created the chances yesterday. Possibly top 10 maximum. It felt harsh and was borderline both for him and Almiron but the question I asked myself was "would another PL team sign him"? And apart from a newly promoted team who were desperate I think the answer is no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 I feel it's a bit generous to be giving Hall top 4 given he is still quite raw when it comes to defensive work. Mbuemo gave him a really hard game yesterday and it didn't look like Hall had any answers. I think there's more of a case for Bruno, Tonali or Gordon being there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Top 4 Isak Botman Bruno Gordon Top 6 Tonali Livramento Hall Top 10 Joelinton Barnes Willock Top 20 Pope Schar Burn Longstaff Wilson Trippier Kelly Murphy Not Good Enough Almiron Targett Dubravka Lascelles Krafth Future Prospects Miley Osula Murphy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 I think Bruno is still a top 4 level player, he's just badly exposed at times in our system. He'd excel in a team like Liverpool. I think this is probably the case for Tonali too but obviously he still has a bit to prove. Almiron, Murphy and Dubravka aren't great but would probably still be in the Top 20 list. I struggle to believe they wouldn't push to start for the likes of Southampton, Ipswich or Leicester. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Hall top 4 ? Nah man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Top 20 is not good enough for me. They’re the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Top 4 Isak Botman Bruno Tonali Gordon Top 6 Joelinton Hall Livramento Schar Trippier Wilson Top 10 Longstaff Burn Barnes Willock Top 20 The rest In general, I don't think we have a top 4 squad and I think our position would be between 5th and 8th based on quality. However, I think with everyone playing their absolute best we're a 3rd or 4th placed squad. That was evidenced. However, we cannot expect players to play almost beyond their capability for any prolonged period of time let alone for beyond a full season. We need more quality players who, when they play a 6 or 7 performance wise it is sufficient to enable a win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 (edited) 27 minutes ago, TRon said: I feel it's a bit generous to be giving Hall top 4 given he is still quite raw when it comes to defensive work. Mbuemo gave him a really hard game yesterday and it didn't look like Hall had any answers. I think there's more of a case for Bruno, Tonali or Gordon being there. Yeah, based on my relatively limited viewing that makes sense. Was thinking about this the other day though. I think last year the two players of yours I would want to sign would have been Gordon and Bruno. This year I’d say Hall and probably either Tino or Isak. Partly position necessity, partly homegrown, but Hall is so talented, has so much time to learn and is perfect for us. Be interested to see which two you’d want of ours. Edited December 8 by leffe186 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Pretty much agree with that except Wilson top 6. He doesn’t get a game for any legit top 6 team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 I based Wilson on him being regularly fit tbh but he isn't so he's more like a top 29 player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Generational Talent Isak World Class Sandro Bruno Barnes Tremendous Potential Hall High potential Tino Miley Class Gordon Joe aSometimes maybe good asometimes maybe shit Willock Miggy Burn Pope Murphy Longstaff Fading Schar Tripps Injured Wilson ? ? ? ? Osula Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Do believe an in-form Joelinton is a an asset for any side in the World. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Top 4 Isak Top 6 Botman Bruno Gordon Tonali Joelinton Hall Top 10 Livramento Willock when fit Can get rid of the rest of them for me . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 1 hour ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said: Hall top 4 ? Nah man Maybe not right now but he will be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 I love Joelinton to bits, love his attitude and his work but I'm amazed seeing him consistently this high in folks' thoughts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazeT44 Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 45 minutes ago, Mike said: Generational Talent Isak World Class Sandro Bruno Barnes Tremendous Potential Hall High potential Tino Miley Class Gordon Joe aSometimes maybe good asometimes maybe shit Willock Miggy Burn Pope Murphy Longstaff Fading Schar Tripps Injured Wilson ? ? ? ? Osula Barnes, world class? Come on, Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 6 minutes ago, Geogaddi said: Top 4 Isak Top 6 Botman Bruno Gordon Tonali Joelinton Hall Top 10 Livramento Willock when fit Can get rid of the rest of them for me . I think pretty much all of those players could start for a top 4 team. You’re right about the two halves of the squad though, I think that’s what makes it so hard to assess how good we should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 7 minutes ago, OpenC said: I love Joelinton to bits, love his attitude and his work but I'm amazed seeing him consistently this high in folks' thoughts He'd arguably not even make a top 6 side let alone a top 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 2 hours ago, Nepharite said: Gordon into top 4 for me. Not seen enough of Tonali to put him in that bracket yet but feel he'll be there. Naah, Gordon is a classic English winger, lots of running but not a lot of brain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 5 minutes ago, BlazeT44 said: Barnes, world class? Come on, Mike. He's absolutely brilliant at what he does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazeT44 Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 Top 4 Bruno Isak Botman (pre injury at least) Tonali Think that's it. Gordon may get in some Top 6 teams there, depending on the teams you rank as Top 6 - big 6 or the current top 6? Same with Joelinton, but I think he'd struggle to be a regular starter in any Top 6 team. Livramento and Hall both top 10 but think they have a way to go in their development. Barnes and Willock Top 10, if the latter is fit. Wilson is never fit so pointless even ranking him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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