Aston Villa 4-1 Newcastle United - 19/04/2025

[Hanshithispantz]

11 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

I'm not being smug - you've been on here long enough to know if we put a teamsheet out with Willock, Miley, Longstaff, Krafth, Osula on it then it would have been criticised.

Maybe it would have been? Not sure how this is relevant to anything I've said like.

 

11 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

There were no suggestions to play Longstaff before the game- you know we've played the same team for 6 or 7 games in a row now, how can you have no idea about us potentially being knackered as if it was common sense that we should have rotated?

Again, none of this has anything to do with what I've said.

 

11 minutes ago, joeyt said:

Anyone suggesting we should have played Longstaff today is completely out of their mind

Again, who is saying this? He's one of 3 midfielders on the bench who could have started, and is more than capable of doing well, but he's likely behind Willock and Miley.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 19:01 by Hanshithispantz

[KaKa]

1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Tielemans is quality, mind. Brilliant signing. 

 

Emery has done a great job with him.

 

Hardly played when he first joined and looked fat and unable to get up and down the pitch.

 

But they've got him in much better shape and I can't believe how much more mobile and energetic he looks now.

[geordie_b]

1 minute ago, St1pe said:

Not that they didn’t deserve the win but two really crucial goals at 0-0 and 2-1 came from fucking awful deflections as well. 

 

Bit like our second on Wednesday, just gotta accept them sometimes

[JoeyBartoon]

This was the kind of game where our predictability and game management were always going to be tested, and ultimately exposed, especially against a world-class manager like Emery.

 

You could argue the coaching staff should have anticipated this. Three games in six days with an unchanged lineup was always going to be a big ask, especially against a tactician of Emery’s calibre.

 

Players like Gordon and Willock are more than capable of starting. They bring energy and quality, and should have been trusted to rotate in from the start.

 

However, Villa simply have a stronger squad right now, so I don’t want to be too critical.  We’re pushing for Champions League places while bringing on players like Wilson and Targett, and that says a lot. If we do manage to secure a top-five finish, it’s clear we’ll need three or four top-quality additions this summer to really compete at that level.

 

All in all, we move on. A full week to regroup, reset, and go again.

[joeyt]

3 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

Maybe it would have been? Not sure how  this is relevant to anything I've said like.

 

Again, nine of this has anything to do with what I've said 

 

Again, who is saying this? He's one of 3 midfielders on the bench who could started played, and is more than capable of doing well, but he's likely behind Willock and Miley.

 

When was the last time Longstaff played well?

 

You've stated that Longstaff could have started today - you can't tell me if one of Bruno, Tonali or Joelinton were on the bench for Longstaff before the game that you and everyone else would have been happy.

 

Throwing in 3 or 4 completely out of form players against Villa away seems completely ridiculous to me

 

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. We should have rotated but the only options you're giving me are players who have been poor for a number of games

 

 

Edited Saturday at 19:05 by joeyt

[joeyt]

I thought Isak looked tired, would anyone have played Wilson, Osula or Gordon instead of him?

[Jonas]

Shit but nothing I didn't expect (or predict on here) likewise that things would swing against us this week re the CL.

Was too much to ask for things to keep going as they were and too much to ask for them to get dumped out of the CL twice in a week. Considerably smaller squad and thus no fresher despite their CL campaign than them and Emery has a massive hard on for Tindall after all the times we've tore the arse out of them.

 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 19:09 by Jonas

[toontownman]

Villa and Emery are our bogey team recently. It's a nice rivalry of two teams with similar trajectories.

[bobbydazzla]

You win some you lose some 

 

Onwards and upwards

 

You can’t win them all

 

The best team won on the day 

 

Brummie cunts. 24.05.09, lest we forget 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 19:13 by bobbydazzla

[nemtizz]

4 minutes ago, joeyt said:

I thought Isak looked tired, would anyone have played Wilson, Osula or Gordon instead of him?

 

Neave for me

[Vinny Green Balls]

Just now, toontownman said:

Villa and Emery are our bogey team recently. It's a nice rivalry of two teams with similar trajectories.

Why does this keep on geting bandied about? We got 6 points off of them last season and 3 this time around.

[joeyt]

1 minute ago, toontownman said:

Villa and Emery are our bogey team recently

 

What?

[JUICE690]

Listening on the radio and it sounded like they gave our backline (marking man to man) a torrid time by turining them with pace. Did we adapt to that at all?

[jack j]

3 minutes ago, toontownman said:

Villa and Emery are our bogey team recently. It's a nice rivalry of two teams with similar trajectories.

That's only the 2nd time out of 6 they've beat us since emery and howe were the managers

(Howe wasn't even there for it today like So motwyw)

 

 

Edited Saturday at 19:14 by jack j

[Jonas]

3 minutes ago, toontownman said:

Villa and Emery are our bogey team recently. It's a nice rivalry of two teams with similar trajectories.

Won 4 (4-0, 5-1, 1-3, 3-0) lost two

[Stottie]

Missed most the first half, but witnessed the whole of the second. They killed us down the right again and again, and we should probably have reorganized to counter it. The Maatsen goal that opened the floodgates happened with Trippier suckered into midfield and AWOL from RB.

 

We looked leggy and didn't get into it. We're still third though and have it all in our own hands. Time to regroup, hopefully with Eddie fit and well.

[Hanshithispantz]

4 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

When was the last time Longstaff played well?

 

You've stated that Longstaff could have started today - you can't tell me if one of Bruno, Tonali or Joelinton were on the bench for Longstaff before the game that you and everyone else would have been happy.

 

Throwing in 3 or 4 completely out of form players against Villa away seems completely ridiculous to me

 

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. We should have rotated but the only options you're giving me are players who have been poor for a number of games

 

 

 

 fucking hell you're still not getting it.

 

We have a few games a season where we're so far off it physically and our lack of rotation compounds it.

 

We can use our squad better, identify when players need resting and rotate better. I'm not trying to say I would have picked a better lineup than Tindall. 

 

If your reply is "LOOLZAS WUD U PLAY L8NGSTAFF OVER TONSLI!!!?!!!" then I'm afraid I'll need to tap out.

[Maggies]

I’d love to see the difference in how we got on against teams who press our defence compared to teams who don’t.

 

I think our biggest issue is the limited passing ability of Pope, Schar (minus his 60 yard cross field passes) and Burn. That then brings our midfield too deep and leaves Isak isolated.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 19:19 by Maggies

[ExiledGeordie]

We were very leggy and sloppy most of the day today, midfield was piss poor, well everyone was really. Frustrating loss but we were second best all over the pitch. I do wonder whether it was just a game too far with lack of rotation, Villa’s squad is far deeper than ours and I think it showed today. I also think  today showed we need some real pace at CB vs fast physical players like Watkins. That definitely needs addressing in the summer.

 

A few days off then refocus for Ipswich next sat which is obviously a must win but there will be pressure building. Nothing indicates we can’t still get CL from here.

 

 

[Tsunami]

Reminded me of the 3-0 loss at their place a couple of seasons back. Emery nullified our midfield and they were able to get 1 on 1s far too easy against our back line. We weren’t able to use a low block as their forwards held a line perhaps 30 yards out forcing our defenders up the pitch.

 

That said our quality on the ball wasn’t there and I agree that Isak looks in need of a rest.

 

Will be interesting to see how we line up against Ipswich. Got to be a temptation to start Gordon and perhaps Willock and Krafth.

[M1tche]

19 minutes ago, Stifler said:

My point is that Villa have used the transfer market to bring players in who are fresh. We haven’t, that’s the difference. Villa might just be able to have that edge in a game that is tight against a similarly talented side.

We learnt nothing from today’s game aside from what we already know. Our squad depth isn’t good enough, it isn’t good enough to bring players on towards the end of games, and it’s not good enough to turn the tide in games.

If we don’t address it in the summer, then it will get worse with us having European football next season, and some of our older members of the squad being a year older.

In the wider context I don’t think we have helped ourselves with things like Miggy being held on the bench for 6 months instead of selling him in the summer, and for giving Dubs a new contract when we should have been showing him the door and had a good offer for him. Now do I think Wilson has shown anything for the last 12-18 months of being here why he should be getting those minutes at the end of games instead of trying to give our youngster (Osula) a chance instead. I also think being 4-0 up against Crystal Palace at half time should have triggered some changes as well.

Ive seen a few posts of Villa depth, so this isnt aimed at you but yours was a good post to quote tbf. 

 

Villa have better depth, but are also in a position that even without the loan ages they NEED champs league to not have a fire sale, they're backs to the wall with no way out. They had no choice but to gamble again in Jan to go as deep into the Champs league, and FA cup as possible, whilst also making charge for qualification next season.

 

It'll be an absolute fire sale if they dont make it, and all the good work will be undone in 1 summer, or they face wherever reprocussions come with going over every single spend to turnover rate going.

[nemtizz]

I mean if we we're giving our best options more minutes off the bench; Miley and Osula for example that would make more sense. Continuing to reward Longstaff and Wilson for adding nothing positive is bewildering.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 19:27 by nemtizz

[joeyt]

2 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

 fucking hell you're still not getting it.

 

We have a few games a season where we're so far off it physically and our lack of rotation compounds it.

 

We can use our squad better, identify when players need resting and rotate better. I'm not trying to say I would have picked a better lineup than Tindall. 

 

If your reply is "LOOLZAS WUD U PLAY L8NGSTAFF OVER TONSLI!!!?!!!" then I'm afraid I'll need to tap out.

 

You keep saying we should have rotated and rested players but you don't seem to appreciate that the players on the bench are either shite or completely out of form

 

We can't put players like Digne, Onana, Rashford and Ramsay on the bench.

 

It's easy to say "oh we should have rotated" after a loss but there was no mention of that before the game and you're completely overrating the players we do have on our bench

 

[Rod]

54 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

It's the histrionics and diving about that really rile me up.

 

And then when he starts getting wound up for no reason, you just know his performance is going to suffer.

 

He was absolutely infuriating to watch today.

 

 

 

 

 

Sshhhhhhhhhhhhh!  Not allowed, he's class man.

[M1tche]

5 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

 fucking hell you're still not getting it.

 

We have a few games a season where we're so far off it physically and our lack of rotation compounds it.

 

We can use our squad better, identify when players need resting and rotate better. I'm not trying to say I would have picked a better lineup than Tindall. 

 

If your reply is "LOOLZAS WUD U PLAY L8NGSTAFF OVER TONSLI!!!?!!!" then I'm afraid I'll need to tap out.

Im confused by so few getting that the rotation needed to come in the games at home against bottom half side, or even away to relegation fodder. So, we could go full strength, and full pace, away to top 5 contenders