Yoane Wissa

[Crimson Cardigan]

The problem we have is, move on to who?

 

I don’t think we want Jackson, not really, and we don’t sign players we don’t want.

 

SL is too expensive. And that’s about it outside of a foreign punt, which again, we don’t do.

[Shadow Puppets]

I don’t know what their next plans are (I wouldn’t be surprised if Wissa still happens this week), but I think I’d be more inclined to try to fashion some loan+obligation deals for strikers like Jackson, personally.

 

E.g. Loan, but if he scores 15 goals we are obliged to make it permanent for £50m

[kenlau88210]

Is Muniz underrated? 1 goal in 119 mins apparently so might be a good Wilson’s replacement? 

[SteV]

18 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

Isak has been training too… just not at the same time as the first team.

 

The situations are near identical and I don’t see the point in doing mental gymnastics to try and justify Wissa’s actions.

 

I’d much prefer we just avoided any player pulling this kind of shit.

Are you actually bothered about him going on like this though? 
 

I mean, I fully understand how Brentford fans feel about it, but that’s not our problem. I’d expect Liverpool fans (the non-mental ones) to feel the same about Isak.

 

If Wissa scores the winning goal in the FA Cup final for us, I’m not not going to be sat there thinking, ‘well this is tainted for me because I didn’t like the way he left Brentford’.

[Shadow Puppets]

5 minutes ago, SteV said:

Are you actually bothered about him going on like this though? 
 

I mean, I fully understand how Brentford fans feel about it, but that’s not our problem. I’d expect Liverpool fans (the non-mental ones) to feel the same about Isak.

 

If Wissa scores the winning goal in the FA Cup final for us, I’m not not going to be sat there thinking, ‘well this is tainted for me because I didn’t like the way he left Brentford’.

I’m bothered in so much as it makes us pretty hypocritical, and I would deem his personality to already be a bit suspect, but I could grow to like him I’m sure.

[SteV]

1 minute ago, Shadow Puppets said:

I’m bothered in so much as it makes us pretty hypocritical, and I would deem his personality to already be a bit suspect, but I could grow to like him I’m sure.

Football fans are the most hypocritical people on the planet. All of us. It’s half the fun.

[TRon]

45 minutes ago, Menace said:

We can't choose to believe the media regarding Wissa and have a completely different approach about Isak like, both have been utter wankers to the clubs that have given them a platform to perform. If we wasn't desperate I wouldn't want him here.

 

 

Not that it really affects my position, as I have accepted players/agents will act up in order to get moves for financial reasons, but in Wissa's case this is probably his last chance to land a move to a CL club so from that perspective, I can sort of understand his desperation. He's 29, Isak is going to be 26 so still has time on his side. 

 

I don't condone players under contract acting up btw, but it's something clubs have to deal with these days, especially in an age where agents are so powerful. 

[kenlau88210]

I am playing devils advocate here. We fans don’t have access to the finer contractual details between Isak/Wissa and the clubs. Is it possible the club(s) might be more in the wrong? I think Isak or Wissa care about their reputation. Judging by their reactions the players clearly feel the clubs not dealing with them fairly and feel the need to escalate. I just think many fans are too quick to judge “he is a greedy cunt he only cares about money”. Again we fans really don’t know the fine details of what they are disputing. And are we saying going on strike is always wrong and never justified? I mean even doctors and nurses were doing it quite recently. I am not trying to justify or condone Isak/Wissa’s behaviour, just think we might need a bit more intellectual humility and be open to the idea that it is possible we fans just don’t have all the information to make a impartial judgement. 

[Dr Venkman]

Genuine question, is Wissa refusing to play or not being selected? He's still training with the team, right? What does his 'strike' amount to?

[Hanshithispantz]

Is it true that Wissa was told that he'd be let go for £27m, we've bid that and they've went back on their word?

 

Not that I can blame them, it's outrageously cheap and they have a chance of milking our desperation for a striker, but it's not the same as Liverpool and the media tapping up Isak and lowballing us with no indication we'd sell for anywhere near £110m.

 

As for Wissa, if he's keen to play for us I don't really give a shit about his attitude atm, I would hate him if I was a Brentford fan, but he's not going to be striking for a move to Barca in 2 years time.

 

[kenlau88210]

8 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

Is it true that Wissa was told that he'd be let go for £27m, we've bid that and they've went back on their word?

 

Not that I can blame them, it's outrageously cheap and they have a chance of milking our desperation for a striker, but it's not the same as Liverpool and the media tapping up Isak and lowballing us with no indication we'd sell for anywhere near £110m.

 

As for Wissa, if he's keen to play for us I don't really give a shit about his attitude atm, I would hate him if I was a Brentford fan, but he's not going to be striking for a move to Barca in 2 years time.

 

You never know 😂 He might be a proper late bloomer. Not in a million years do we think Joselu would play for Madrid and scored in the CL semi-final 

[Kimbo]

I feel like Wissa has very little leverage. He’s on a relatively low wage so he’s not a big drain on resources, and if he’s still there in September he’ll have little choice but to sign a new contract for a pay rise and knuckle down. At that point only Brentford will be in a position to give him the retirement fund. Brentford also don’t need the transfer fee, especially with relegation being a threat. If I was them I would just hang tight.

[Stottie]

I see this as somewhat different to Isak. Wissa is pushing for a move, but not at a firesale price. Isak has been actively pushing his price down and saying he will only join a lowball bidder. Liverpool and/or Isak have made it the top transfer story of the summer through active leaking and probably payment to Romano etc.

 

It has never been reported that a deal for Isak was remotely close feewise, and was being held up by the wait for a replacement who had been identified and was in a chain as buying a house. This latest development comes across as a last-minute price hike from Brentford, and good on em for it. They deserve every penny they can get out of the deal. "Shy bairns get nowt" etc. etc.

 

Liverpool fans are desparate to push a "its the same" line as classic whataboutery to absolve their own actions. I do not buy it. "NUFC deserve every penny they can get out of the deal", said no Liverpool fan ever.

[Stottie]

Even if not Wissa, we'll have to overpay for someone because we cannot let Isak derail our season.

Too much hard work was put in by everyone at the club to get us where we are. We cannot let one player's spitefulness ruin it all.

An overpay on Wissa would be disaster level 1. Not getting a 15 goal striker in would disaster level 10.

[Newcastle Fan]

If we were to overpay i wouldn't do on it on Wissa, as good as he looked last season it was his first season scoring that consistently, i'd rather get someone who's a more natural striker/physical presence upfront.

[duo]

59 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

Genuine question, is Wissa refusing to play or not being selected? He's still training with the team, right? What does his 'strike' amount to?

He is refusing to play or train - ney better than Isak.  Stay well clear imo. 

[Toonpack]

13 minutes ago, duo said:

He is refusing to play or train - ney better than Isak.  Stay well clear imo. 

 

Not true

 

We're not here to be popular, we're here to compete, sign the fucker up.

[duo]

28 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

Not true

 

We're not here to be popular, we're here to compete, sign the fucker up.

Was true 

 

 

We don't need characters like that signing for the club

[Toonpack]

1 minute ago, duo said:

Was true 

 

 

We don't need characters like that signing for the club

 

He then had a meet with their SD and has trained since.

 

Sign him up 

[SteV]

3 minutes ago, duo said:

Was true 

 

 

We don't need characters like that signing for the club

I’d take him all day long.

[Toonpack]

1 hour ago, Dr Venkman said:

Genuine question, is Wissa refusing to play or not being selected? He's still training with the team, right? What does his 'strike' amount to?

 

Journo's trying to create false equivalence with Isak situation.

 

He didn't play at the weekend because he wasn't selected by the manager.

[Kanj]

Not an apples to apples comparison at all, however, not a fan of us making a deal with Brentford to do this if we’re taking a stand on Isak in general. 

[KaKa]

I think we may have well walked away from this deal.

 

I reckon the performance and result against Forest rattled them and this one is hanging by a thread if not completely dead already.

[BoSelecta]

Surely the major difference is Wissa is on strike because he wants to play for us, Isak because he doesn’t? Not excusing either of them but from a fan perspective I know which is easier to look beyond. 

[Mahoneys Tache]

Don’t go within a country mile of any fucker carrying on like this.