Yorkie Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, Unbelievable said: We have. We bought him at peak value after an extraordinary season. Should never have gone for him, especially at that price. We have completely mishandled the Wilson situation. Should have had an understudy in much earlier, ready to take over that sub role a year before he finally left on a free. So he got those 45 goals for Brentford playing at his current standard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funtime Frankie Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, Yorkie said: Yep. 45 goals in 137 PL games before we signed him; 19 in 35 last season. As proven as it gets really. No penalties too in that 19. His and Elangas stats for last season were superb just why it hasn't materialised for us yet is a mystery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Are we sure he’s not 39? Looks so old out there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 As bad as he's been he still looks more likely to score than Woltemade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Misery Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Think Chris Waugh dropped a pill at FT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 6 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Wissa has been a 1 in 3 to 1 in 2 striker over 3 seasons, he isn't suddenly definitely shit forever. He’s not shit, but he came off an unusually good season scoring 19 (lots of tap ins). Prior three seasons he had 12, 7, and 7. Though think he might have been playing wide for Brentford when Toney was there. He is turning out to be what he looked like when we signed him, a journeyman mid prem striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Just now, Yorkie said: So he got those 45 goals for Brentford playing at his current standard? About half of those were in his last season and before that he was a one in four striker having played in France league 1 and even 2, hitting those numbers until his mid twenties, so yes, I am inclined to say we bought him on the back of a flash in the pan. It was mainly Mbeumo catching the eye for Brentford last season and I think some of Wissa’s rise in numbers was due to being partnered with an outstanding player last two seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gottlob Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 He is 29 and has had one season of prolific top flight football. Overall I don't think his numbers are that great when you're looking to compete for Europe and are spending £55 million on someone to lead the line. But I also think that we were expecting to get him for a much lower price, that we might have bid for him even if we had managed to sign Joao Pedro or Ekitike, and that his stats last season were compelling. That striker market is a really difficult one and there aren't many great options out there, but right now it isn't working and might be serving as a cautionary tale at least when it comes to older attacking options who are reliant on their physical qualities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said: He’s not shit, but he came off an unusually good season scoring 19 (lots of tap ins). Prior three seasons he had 12, 7, and 7. Though think he might have been playing wide for Brentford when Toney was there. He is turning out to be what he looked like when we signed him, a journeyman mid prem striker. He hasn't been here long enough to turn out to be anything imo. His strike rate, assists (and injury record) at Brentford were very good. I find it mad that you could watch his Brentford highlights and think that this post injury Wissa is the truth of the two, despite all but a few months of evidence being that he's actually really good Edited February 4 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Just now, Gottlob said: He is 29 and has had one season of prolific top flight football. Overall I don't think his numbers are that great when you're looking to compete for Europe and are spending £55 million on someone to lead the line. But I also think that we were expecting to get him for a much lower price, that we might have bid for him even if we had managed to sign Joao Pedro or Ekitike, and that his stats last season were compelling. That striker market is a really difficult one and there aren't many great options out there, but right now it isn't working and might be serving as a cautionary tale at least when it comes to older attacking options who are reliant on their physical qualities. he had a pretty great season before that when he was often deployed as a winger. His numbers were fine. Not for the price though (mainly because of his aage). But he was very fast and dangerous with Brentford. Right now he looks like someone coming off a knee injury, but even worse. I think people are underestimating how much that injuryducked him and us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: He hasn't been here long enough to turn out ti be anything imo. His strike rate, assists (and injury record) at Brentford was very good. I find it mad that you could watch his Brentford highlights and think that this post injury Wissa is the truth of the two, despite all but a few months of evidence being that he's really good this is exactly what I am talking about. Mountains of information at our fingertips, and attenuated patience about everything in life now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 6 minutes ago, Unbelievable said: About half of those were in his last season and before that he was a one in four striker having played in France league 1 and even 2, hitting those numbers until his mid twenties, so yes, I am inclined to say we bought him on the back of a flash in the pan. It was mainly Mbeumo catching the eye for Brentford last season and I think some of Wissa’s rise in numbers was due to being partnered with an outstanding player last two seasons. I don't think you've really answered my question though. Perhaps he played above himself last season but do you think we're getting the par now? He got 12 PL goals the season before last. I'd take that; that would be useful with the likes of Barnes, Gordon, Bruno, Woltemade chipping in. You might expect more for £55m but that's where the context comes into it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Still early days in a disjointed attack, my biggest concern with him is his work ethic rather than his goal scoring ability at the moment. Some of his movement (or lack thereof) has been extremely lazy so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Just now, Kid Icarus said: He hasn't been here long enough to turn out ti be anything imo. His strike rate, assists (and injury record) at Brentford was very good. I find it mad that you could watch his Brentford highlights and think that this post injury Wissa is the truth of the two, despite all but a few months of evidence being that he's really good I was hopeful but not convinced (by his highlights/what I had seen of him in games). Brentford seem to create a lot of chances, fast breaks and interchanging forward movement; particularly when they had Mbeumo. Never imagined to was going to be an Ekitike (or Scouse Voldemort) equivalent creating his own chances and terrorising teams. I’m sure he’ll bed in more and improve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Anyone else reckon he could do with shedding a few clem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 He's a £30 million to £35 million we paid £55 million for. He's never going to be "value" but he's better than his current performances suggest. You could say that about a handful of players at the moment mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Just now, Fak said: Anyone else reckon he could do with shedding a few clem? At his age once the metabolism slows down he’s got nee chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Just now, The Prophet said: He's a £30 million to £35 million we paid £55 million for. He's never going to be "value" but he's better than his current performances suggest. You could say that about a handful of players at the moment mind. He is. He’s probably also not playing with a player like Mbuemo who is levels above our attacking threat. We don’t really have a cohesive attack, at Brentford everyone knew their job and the patterns of play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 5 minutes ago, Yorkie said: I don't think you've really answered my question though. Perhaps he played above himself last season but do you think we're getting the par now? He got 12 PL goals the season before last. I'd take that; that would be useful with the likes of Barnes, Gordon, Bruno, Woltemade chipping in. You might expect more for £55m but that's where the context comes into it. Fair enough. He’s performing below his own average level, clearly. The injury away on international duty didn’t help, but by now you’d expect a player of his experience to have found his feet. We paid a premium for PL proven readiness and we’re not reaping the rewards, obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 2 minutes ago, TRC said: At his age once the metabolism slows down he’s got nee chance. I'm not sure if this is a serious post or not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 I watched a video of his goals the other night and he just doesn't look like the same player. I wonder how much the injury has impacted him - I mean it was quite a serious injury for someone of his age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 8 minutes ago, duo said: I watched a video of his goals the other night and he just doesn't look like the same player. I wonder how much the injury has impacted him - I mean it was quite a serious injury for someone of his age. That's the worry for me. I have no doubt he was a good striker for Brentford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 36 minutes ago, Funtime Frankie said: No penalties too in that 19. His and Elangas stats for last season were superb just why it hasn't materialised for us yet is a mystery Probably that half a season injury has something to do with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGSC Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Did we overpay? Yes Has he been underwhelming / poor so far? Yes However, his current form needs to be assessed in the context that he’s in a new team, was out for months with a serious knee injury and has played the equivalent of 7.5 full games since coming back, constantly coming in and out of the side. I know we’re in a significant rut at the moment, but I feel like we need some patience here and he will come good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 He's the definition (on his showing so far) of a bang average premier league player. I'm yet to see anything to hang my hat on to say "he's good at that", or "he's that type of player". To me he's just a body on a pitch offering almost nothing in any regard. Pretty dreadful movement, slow, poor finishing, no link up play etc. Compare that to Nick, who has been poor recently granted, but at least you can see what he's good / outstanding at, even if we're not playing to his strengths. For me, I'd play Woltemade every game and use Wissa / Osula as subs. It's the only way to get the best out of Nick long term and get him back amongst the goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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