Yoane Wissa

[Yorkie]

@Froggy you're using income from player sales as a counterpoint but that's all part of the PSR unfairness I'm talking about - I'm not overlooking it. The pure profit from academy sales especially is one of the key indicators of its unfairness because the cartel clubs have so much more to rake in from that source. Not to mention it was bloody Chelsea giving you that money for Garnacho.

[Froggy]

2 hours ago, Yorkie said:

@Froggy you're using income from player sales as a counterpoint but that's all part of the PSR unfairness I'm talking about - I'm not overlooking it. The pure profit from academy sales especially is one of the key indicators of its unfairness because the cartel clubs have so much more to rake in from that source. Not to mention it was bloody Chelsea giving you that money for Garnacho.

 

They got a bargain when players like Elanga and Wissa were going for £55m a pop.

[Teslact]

5 hours ago, 500bhp said:

Chelsea, just won the Club World Cup.

I don't think it mattered that much, but the special window before the CWC allowed them to sign Pedro with the glamor of going to the CWC.

[khay]

I think we had the money to offer those players better wages than they had at their current clubs, but not enough to match what they are now getting at Chelsea/Man U etc. 

[TRon]

6 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

 

There's also a suggestion that the likes of Liverpool and Man United weren't even interested in these players but only signed them because Newcastle wanted them therefore they must be good. That's the most laughable suggestion of all IMO. We were scouting Sesko before he was out of nappies. 

 

 

But we were definitely making moves for Ekitike and Pedro long before Liverpool and Chelsea got involved. Both were on the verge of signing for us three years ago, in fact the only reason Pedro didn't was because we went for Isak instead. 

[TheBrownBottle]

13 hours ago, Smal said:

of course it had something to do with it. He wanted more money the summer before and we didn’t give it to him because we have a wage structure with a relatively low ceiling compared to ESL clubs.

 

I’d still have given it to him and Mitchell is obviously an incompetent cunt but to say it had nothing to do with PSR is obvious nonsense. Can tell man u have won a few games recently. 

We could’ve given him an extra £100k pw with zero PSR impact - it wasn’t PSR.  Top players want to play for clubs trying to win the European Cup, not clubs who celebrate qualifying for it.  All footballers want to play for the best possible side.  

[duo]

15 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

Selling Isak was nothing to do with PSR. Come on. 

Kinda did as he wanted wages we couldn't afford - ironic in a way as the money we look to have wasted on Wissa could have been used to pay him what he wanted

[McDog]

1 hour ago, duo said:

Kinda did as he wanted wages we couldn't afford - ironic in a way as the money we look to have wasted on Wissa could have been used to pay him what he wanted

 

 

True, but would you want to pay that piece of shit that kind of money? He showed his colours.  Hindsight is 20/20 but glad he didn't get a cent.

[Optimistic Nut]

6 hours ago, duo said:

Kinda did as he wanted wages we couldn't afford - ironic in a way as the money we look to have wasted on Wissa could have been used to pay him what he wanted

 

Froggy on the wind up/missing the point again. PSR isn't letting us spend the money on players that'll attract the top players, not letting us pay the wages the big clubs can to keep their elite players. 

[Froggy]

43 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Froggy on the wind up/missing the point again. PSR isn't letting us spend the money on players that'll attract the top players, not letting us pay the wages the big clubs can to keep their elite players. 

 

Eddie Howe has spent nearly £800m at you man.  Anthony Gordon is paid the same as Bryan Mbeumo. Newcastle offered Sesko more money than we did. Gordon, Bruno G, Tonali, Joelinton etc. are all reported to be on £150k+. Your high earners earn similar to ours with the exception of Casemiro (who's leaving in three months) and Fernandes (who's on a different planet ability wise to all players mentioned combined). The issue isn't PSR. The issue is spending £100m+ on Jacob Ramsey and Anthony Elanga. 

 

22 players bought by Howe at an average of £32m per player since the Saudi takeover. You're one of the biggest spenders in the league. Even despite the colossal Isak sale you're in the top five for net spend over the last five years, which is more than Liverpool and more than Man City. Your wages are catching up too. PSR this/PSR that and no responsibility for any mistakes. I find it a bit wild to be honest.

[r0cafella]

15 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Eddie Howe has spent nearly £800m at you man.  Anthony Gordon is paid the same as Bryan Mbeumo. Newcastle offered Sesko more money than we did. Gordon, Bruno G, Tonali, Joelinton etc. are all reported to be on £150k+. Your high earners earn similar to ours with the exception of Casemiro (who's leaving in three months) and Fernandes (who's on a different planet ability wise to all players mentioned combined). The issue isn't PSR. The issue is spending £100m+ on Jacob Ramsey and Anthony Elanga. 

 

22 players bought by Howe at an average of £32m per player since the Saudi takeover. You're one of the biggest spenders in the league. Even despite the colossal Isak sale you're in the top five for net spend over the last five years, which is more than Liverpool and more than Man City. Your wages are catching up too. PSR this/PSR that and no responsibility for any mistakes. I find it a bit wild to be honest.

Now calculate it with transfer inflation and start from the premier league era and come back to me with your spend and budget calculations. 

 

You know we started from zero and you rules have been put in place to block us. 

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Now calculate it with transfer inflation and start from the premier league era and come back to me with your spend and budget calculations. 

 

You know we started from zero and you rules have been put in place to block us. 

 

No.  Let's not go back nearly 40 years. Let's just look at the last few years and present day.

 

You've finished 4th and 5th recently and the general consensus from everyone is that you're a good side with top players and one of the best managers in the league. That's my view as well. Now add the fact that since the takeover you've spent more money than 75% of the league. That's the truth, whether gross or net spend. 

 

For the last year or two everyone was completely comfortable saying Man United were absolutely shite and needed a full rebuild that would take years. Now that you're having a bad season, the cry is that it's because of PSR and you can't possibly complete with the likes of Man United despite spending more than us in the summer.  I know you started from a poor position 5-6 years ago, but you were in a better position than us two years ago, so it's baffling to hear how you can't compete with us all of a sudden despite pretty much matching our spend in that period after already being the superior side.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

[TheBrownBottle]

The ‘it’s all down to PSR’ argument definitely works better when you’re not worse than Brentford, Fulham and the Mackems …

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

39 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Eddie Howe has spent nearly £800m at you man.  Anthony Gordon is paid the same as Bryan Mbeumo. Newcastle offered Sesko more money than we did. Gordon, Bruno G, Tonali, Joelinton etc. are all reported to be on £150k+. Your high earners earn similar to ours with the exception of Casemiro (who's leaving in three months) and Fernandes (who's on a different planet ability wise to all players mentioned combined). The issue isn't PSR. The issue is spending £100m+ on Jacob Ramsey and Anthony Elanga. 

 

22 players bought by Howe at an average of £32m per player since the Saudi takeover. You're one of the biggest spenders in the league. Even despite the colossal Isak sale you're in the top five for net spend over the last five years, which is more than Liverpool and more than Man City. Your wages are catching up too. PSR this/PSR that and no responsibility for any mistakes. I find it a bit wild to be honest.

Fair that

[Yorkie]

4 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

Fair that

 

give over ffs

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

Just now, Yorkie said:

 

give over ffs

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

give over ffs

 

Anything you disagree with?

[ED209]

Is there any country that we could still send him to on loan for the rest of this season? 

[LiquidAK]

5 minutes ago, ED209 said:

Is there any country that we could still send him to on loan for the rest of this season? 

I don't think we have that sort of jurisdiction over Froggy, afaik he's still a free man, but wait for the mods to pitch in

[Yorkie]

6 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Anything you disagree with?

 

Obviously, but I'm not jumping in again, I have to earn my salary at some point or other.

[BoSelecta]

Watching Froggy twist on about PSR is like watching a slimy politician talk around a question, only focussing on the bits they want too 😁 

[TRon]

24 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

The ‘it’s all down to PSR’ argument definitely works better when you’re not worse than Brentford, Fulham and the Mackems …

 

Plus I think the sum is worse than the parts at the moment. Our preferred style of play clearly doesn't suit the players we've bought. 

[Froggy]

15 minutes ago, BoSelecta said:

Watching Froggy twist on about PSR is like watching a slimy politician talk around a question, only focussing on the bits they want too 😁 

 

I'm aware it benefits the bigger clubs with bigger revenues. It benefits Newcastle over the likes of Brentford, Fulham etc. too.

[Erikse]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

 

Eddie Howe has spent nearly £800m at you man.  Anthony Gordon is paid the same as Bryan Mbeumo. Newcastle offered Sesko more money than we did. Gordon, Bruno G, Tonali, Joelinton etc. are all reported to be on £150k+. Your high earners earn similar to ours with the exception of Casemiro (who's leaving in three months) and Fernandes (who's on a different planet ability wise to all players mentioned combined). The issue isn't PSR. The issue is spending £100m+ on Jacob Ramsey and Anthony Elanga. 

 

22 players bought by Howe at an average of £32m per player since the Saudi takeover. You're one of the biggest spenders in the league. Even despite the colossal Isak sale you're in the top five for net spend over the last five years, which is more than Liverpool and more than Man City. Your wages are catching up too. PSR this/PSR that and no responsibility for any mistakes. I find it a bit wild to be honest.

 

If you had spent £100m+ on Wissa and Elanga you could just go on to replace them with £300 worth of playes the next window, so it wouldn't really be a problem long term for you. Players knows you can do this, and that makes it more attractive to go to Man Utd instead of a club with a ceiling.

 

Do I need to once again show you another comparison of your spendings and flops compared to ours? "The problem is spending money on flops", well, if you had been under the same constrictions as us buying a bunch of ~£50-80m flops like you've been doing, you'd be relegated by now. Instead you're back into CL places.

 

 

Edited March 3 by Erikse