Fak Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 50 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said: Fair that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, Fak said: You talking to me ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 If Brentford or Fulham had ambition and capital to maximise they could get to our level very quickly. The glass ceiling is directly above our's and Villa's heads, not the likes of Brentford or Fulham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 3 minutes ago, Erikse said: If you had spent £100m+ on Wissa and Elanga you could just go on to replace them with £300 worth of playes the next window. Players knows you can do this, and that makes it more attractive to go to Man Utd instead of a club with a ceiling. Do I need to once again show you another comparison of your spendings and flops compared to ours? "The problem is spending money on flops", well, if that was a big problem for you you'd be relegated by now. I'm just interested to see how your summer window is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyUtd Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 The facts are that we've made mistakes. Wissa definitely, Wolt possibly. Very important position to get right and we haven't. It's what is really killing us like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 45 minutes ago, Froggy said: I'm aware it benefits the bigger clubs with bigger revenues. It benefits Newcastle over the likes of Brentford, Fulham etc. too. Whataboutism at its finest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 You have to remember Mbuemo actually took a pay cut to join Man U. As soon as he signed they actually took 25% off the wage he’d agreed in the contract because they weren’t in the CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Our team was built on supplying the rat and it worked pretty well. Losing the rat has set us back a whole season and it has affected the performance of other players. Murphy, Gordon and others have gone backwards. Perhaps Elanga coupe a star if he had someone like Isak to feed off him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Froggy said: I'm just interested to see how your summer window is. We need like 6 summer windows in a row similar to the last one to match the moneywasting that Man Utd have been practicing in the last century. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 He's derailed another thread about our net spend vs man red then It's a very interesting convo that doesn't get repeatedly biweekly like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: If Brentford or Fulham had ambition and capital to maximise they could get to our level very quickly. The glass ceiling is directly above our's and Villa's heads, not the likes of Brentford or Fulham. Not true. Neither of those clubs have revenues over £200m. The gap in revenue between Brentford and us is as big is us and Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 4 minutes ago, Menace said: He's derailed another thread about our net spend vs man red then It's a very interesting convo that doesn't get repeatedly biweekly like Aye worst craic on the forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 34 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Aye worst craic on the forum. You just don't know finance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 12 minutes ago, Froggy said: You just don't know finance. Neither do you - Elanga and Ramsey weren't signed for over £100m+ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 3 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Neither do you - Elanga and Ramsey weren't signed for over £100m+ £100m sounds better than £95m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) 4 hours ago, Froggy said: Eddie Howe has spent nearly £800m at you man. Anthony Gordon is paid the same as Bryan Mbeumo. Newcastle offered Sesko more money than we did. Gordon, Bruno G, Tonali, Joelinton etc. are all reported to be on £150k+. Your high earners earn similar to ours with the exception of Casemiro (who's leaving in three months) and Fernandes (who's on a different planet ability wise to all players mentioned combined). The issue isn't PSR. The issue is spending £100m+ on Jacob Ramsey and Anthony Elanga. 22 players bought by Howe at an average of £32m per player since the Saudi takeover. You're one of the biggest spenders in the league. Even despite the colossal Isak sale you're in the top five for net spend over the last five years, which is more than Liverpool and more than Man City. Your wages are catching up too. PSR this/PSR that and no responsibility for any mistakes. I find it a bit wild to be honest. After the Bruno, Trippier, Botman, Isak, Pope signings in Jan & Aug 2023, our squad had cost £500m less than yours. https://football-observatory.com/WeeklyPost430 Haven't looked, but I'd be very surprised if we've spent close to what you have in the 3 years since. Edited March 3 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 So using this from 23/4 to today, we've spent €200m.less than you and brought in €55m more. Aye, nowt to do with PSR I'm sure. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/einnahmenausgaben/wettbewerb/GB1/plus/0?ids=a&sa=&saison_id=2023&saison_id_bis=2025&nat=&pos=&altersklasse=&w_s=&leihe=&intern=0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 19 minutes ago, Froggy said: £100m sounds better than £95m. *after add-ons, and as you know they're no guarantee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 4 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: After the Bruno, Trippier, Botman, Isak, Pope signings in Jan & Aug 2023, our squad had cost £500m less than yours. https://football-observatory.com/WeeklyPost430 Haven't looked, but I'd be very surprised if we've spent close to what you have in the 3 years since. This is a three year old resource and doesn't really need a response. It will include 100's of millions worth of players that don't play for either of us anymore. 3 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: So using this from 23/4 to today, we've spent €200m.less than you and brought in €55m more. Aye, nowt to do with PSR I'm sure. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/einnahmenausgaben/wettbewerb/GB1/plus/0?ids=a&sa=&saison_id=2023&saison_id_bis=2025&nat=&pos=&altersklasse=&w_s=&leihe=&intern=0 Why do you keep going so far back? I'm talking about the PSR excuse here and now. Today. At the end of last season, when you finished 22 points ahead of us, how much better did you consider yourselves to be over us? I know this answer as I read the forum. You thought you were, and definitely were miles better than us. Let's not look at squad values from 2023, lets look at the quality of the squads in May 2025. How many of our players would you have said would get into your starting XI? I know the answer to this also, as I read the forum. 99% would take Amad over Murphy and only the clinically insane wouldn't take Fernandes over anyone. There were some who said they wouldn't take any of players over yours. That's how much better you considered yourselves to be. So to summarise, 6 months ago you would claim to have a better manager than than us, and for your starting 11 to have at least 8-9 superior players than ours. You then lost Isak and signed Wissa, Thiaw, Woltemade, Elanga and Ramsey. You went for the same players as us and even offered them more money, so tell me how PSR is now the reason you can't compete with us this season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, Dr.Spaceman said: *after add-ons, and as you know they're no guarantee Exactly. Remember this. I'll tag you next time sometime claims we paid £70m+ for Hojlund. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, Froggy said: This is a three year old resource and doesn't really need a response. It will include 100's of millions worth of players that don't play for either of us anymore. Why do you keep going so far back? I'm talking about the PSR excuse here and now. Today. At the end of last season, when you finished 22 points ahead of us, how much better did you consider yourselves to be over us? I know this answer as I read the forum. You thought you were, and definitely were miles better than us. Let's not look at squad values from 2023, lets look at the quality of the squads in May 2025. How many of our players would you have said would get into your starting XI? I know the answer to this also, as I read the forum. 99% would take Amad over Murphy and only the clinically insane wouldn't take Fernandes over anyone. There were some who said they wouldn't take any of players over yours. That's how much better you considered yourselves to be. So to summarise, 6 months ago you would claim to have a better manager than than us, and for your starting 11 to have at least 8-9 superior players than ours. You then lost Isak and signed Wissa, Thiaw, Woltemade, Elanga and Ramsey. You went for the same players as us and even offered them more money, so tell me how PSR is now the reason you can't compete with us this season? Wages? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, Froggy said: This is a three year old resource and doesn't really need a response. It will include 100's of millions worth of players that don't play for either of us anymore. Why do you keep going so far back? I'm talking about the PSR excuse here and now. Today. At the end of last season, when you finished 22 points ahead of us, how much better did you consider yourselves to be over us? I know this answer as I read the forum. You thought you were, and definitely were miles better than us. Let's not look at squad values from 2023, lets look at the quality of the squads in May 2025. How many of our players would you have said would get into your starting XI? I know the answer to this also, as I read the forum. 99% would take Amad over Murphy and only the clinically insane wouldn't take Fernandes over anyone. There were some who said they wouldn't take any of players over yours. That's how much better you considered yourselves to be. So to summarise, 6 months ago you would claim to have a better manager than than us, and for your starting 11 to have at least 8-9 superior players than ours. You then lost Isak and signed Wissa, Thiaw, Woltemade, Elanga and Ramsey. You went for the same players as us and even offered them more money, so tell me how PSR is now the reason you can't compete with us this season? How do you know we offered more money for the players you ended up signing? Isn't that complete guesswork? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, Froggy said: Exactly. Remember this. I'll tag you next time sometime claims we paid £70m+ for Hojlund. No need, anything over £30m and they had your eyes out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, Alberto2005 said: How do you know we offered more money for the players you ended up signing? Isn't that complete guesswork? How do we know anything? We go by what is reported. It is widely reported that Sesko was offered more money by you, by extremely good sources. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, Froggy said: How do we know anything? We go by what is reported. It is widely reported that Sesko was offered more money by you, by extremely good sources. You said players, plural. Which other players did we offer more money for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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