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44 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

Pfffftt, a billion in debt, hemorrhaging money, dwindling sponsorships, no European football and Rat boy is about to add another 2 billion with a pipe dream of a new stadium. 

We all know he will somehow get the govt to pay for it, then pay token rent for on a hundred year lease.

 

Regenerating the "North" and all that bollocks

 

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20 minutes ago, Unbelievable said:

Agree in principle. Would have preferred to flip e.g. Gordon though, but there’s a reason it will be world class Isak and not someone more easily replaceable that will have to fund stage two of the project.


Him showing himself up as a world class whopper makes it a lot easier to stomach for me.

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Hate to be a doom mongerer but this deal has so many red flags. 
 

If we buy Sesko first
 

I cannot see how we can possibly keep Isak, particularly as we have other positions to fill as well, and stay within the PSR limits for 23/24 - 25/26.

if we do exceed the PSR limits then we are going to be forced to sell under pressure before the deadline again.

 

if we do plan to sell Isak then Liverpool will reasonably assume we need to sell and can lowball us again, perhaps offering even less than before.

 

If we sell Isak first

 

This would be a massive risk even if we had some sort of agreement that the deal would go through. There is no way we could trust either Leipzig or Sesko or Manchester United. 
 

I just hope we are just going through the motions to show we tried or can somehow put some contractual things in place to protect ourselves. But neither Liverpool or Manchester United will be in any hurry as in both cases the player’s preference seems to be them. They also know that delaying causes us a massive headache.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, 1881 said:

Hate to be a doom mongerer but this deal has so many red flags. 
 

If we buy Sesko first
 

I cannot see how we can possibly keep Isak, particularly as we have other positions to fill as well, and stay within the PSR limits for 23/24 - 25/26.

if we do exceed the PSR limits then we are going to be forced to sell under pressure before the deadline again.

 

if we do plan to sell Isak then Liverpool will reasonably assume we need to sell and can lowball us again, perhaps offering even less than before.

 

If we sell Isak first

 

This would be a massive risk even if we had some sort of agreement that the deal would go through. There is no way we could trust either Leipzig or Sesko or Manchester United. 
 

I just hope we are just going through the motions to show we tried or can somehow put some contractual things in place to protect ourselves. But neither Liverpool or Manchester United will be in any hurry as in both cases the player’s preference seems to be them.

Have to remember we hold all the cards - Isak still has three years left on his contract so are in not rush to sell.  We also have no PSR issues this year so don't need to sell.  Isak may not like it but I can see no scenario where he refuses to play personally once the season starts.  

 

 

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Just now, duo said:

Have to remember we hold all the card - Isak still has three years left on his contract so are in not rush to sell.  We also have no PSR issues this year so don't need to sell.  Isak may not like it but I can see no scenario where he refuses to play personally.  

Yes I agree that Isak staying is the only really palatable scenario at this point in time.

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If it is true that PIF are involved now - they will not be selling him if they don't want to. Regardless of what the player wants.  I also think Sesko deal will get over the line as Man U are just playing delay tactics to cobble together their pennies.  They haven't the money without selling.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Mahoneys Tache said:

He’s not signing for us. We end up with some surprise kid from the continent who turns out to be the surprise package of the season. 

I admire your optimism!

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My reading of the situation is that Leipzig and Sesko's agent are trying to initiate a bidding war to extract as much dollar as possible from the deal.

 

The player has communicated that he'd be happy to join either club (granted he may have a preference), so we've gone early with a big fee hoping that Man United need to sell or they simply won't put their money where their mouth is.

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3 minutes ago, 1964 said:

The fact remains, if he reallywanted to come he'd be here now having a medical, this 'thinking through options' shit is not a good sign.  He's stalling for Man Utd

 

Given we haven't agreed a final deal with his club, that's nonsense.

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5 minutes ago, 1964 said:

The fact remains, if he reallywanted to come he'd be here now having a medical, this 'thinking through options' shit is not a good sign.  He's stalling for Man Utd


Well that and the fact that we haven’t had a bid accepted yet.

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5 minutes ago, 1964 said:

The fact remains, if he reallywanted to come he'd be here now having a medical, this 'thinking through options' shit is not a good sign.  He's stalling for Man Utd

 

Given we haven't agreed a final deal with his club, that's nonsense.

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If this falls through, then it means our resolve to keep Isak strengthens. Silver linings and all that. Isak and Wissa for the season whilst our new technical director nerd scours the stats for next season’s “damaged but with a high ceiling” under-the-radar wunderkind, let’s go.

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I'm sure his preference is Man U, even if it's just for the money. We need to continue to try and buy players that want to play for us and that there is little or no competition for especially from the 6 clubs that have much more money than us. Elanga, Ramsdale already, should be Wissa next. It's an unpalatable reality but it is reality.

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56 minutes ago, 1881 said:

Hate to be a doom mongerer but this deal has so many red flags. 
 

If we buy Sesko first
 

I cannot see how we can possibly keep Isak, particularly as we have other positions to fill as well, and stay within the PSR limits for 23/24 - 25/26.

if we do exceed the PSR limits then we are going to be forced to sell under pressure before the deadline again.

 

if we do plan to sell Isak then Liverpool will reasonably assume we need to sell and can lowball us again, perhaps offering even less than before.

 

If we sell Isak first

 

This would be a massive risk even if we had some sort of agreement that the deal would go through. There is no way we could trust either Leipzig or Sesko or Manchester United. 
 

I just hope we are just going through the motions to show we tried or can somehow put some contractual things in place to protect ourselves. But neither Liverpool or Manchester United will be in any hurry as in both cases the player’s preference seems to be them. They also know that delaying causes us a massive headache.

 

 

 

 

A. We have the funds.

 

B. We won't sell Isak (at all imo) before bringing someone in

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12 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

Given we haven't agreed a final deal with his club, that's nonsense.

I thought we'd offered them what they wanted?  If we haven't, fair enough

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59 minutes ago, 1881 said:

Hate to be a doom mongerer but this deal has so many red flags. 
 

If we buy Sesko first
 

I cannot see how we can possibly keep Isak, particularly as we have other positions to fill as well, and stay within the PSR limits for 23/24 - 25/26.

if we do exceed the PSR limits then we are going to be forced to sell under pressure before the deadline again.

 

if we do plan to sell Isak then Liverpool will reasonably assume we need to sell and can lowball us again, perhaps offering even less than before.

 

If we sell Isak first

 

This would be a massive risk even if we had some sort of agreement that the deal would go through. There is no way we could trust either Leipzig or Sesko or Manchester United. 
 

I just hope we are just going through the motions to show we tried or can somehow put some contractual things in place to protect ourselves. But neither Liverpool or Manchester United will be in any hurry as in both cases the player’s preference seems to be them. They also know that delaying causes us a massive headache.

 

 

 

We’d be comfortably within the limits of PSR - the issue would be how many other players we want to sign (and for what price).  Buying Šeško and keeping Isak would be well within PSR. 

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