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13 hours ago, Andy said:

Despite the misses, I was much happier with that game from him today than some of the ones where he was scoring from nothing. Actually looked a threat. 

Think that was the first time I've seen him have aproper)r shot with his feet (apart from the penalty)

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From the Liverpool forum in September:

 

dalglish

 

12 Sep

Nice takedown of Newcastle’s recruitment of Woltemade by Lahm:

 

"Nick Woltemade is different. He is 23, a good year older than Wirtz, but became a regular player in a first division team only after scoring two goals against Heidenheim nine months ago. At the age when Wirtz won the double with Leverkusen, Woltemade was playing on loan in the German third tier for a season.

It is unclear how well he will perform in the Champions League. He has not played in the competition because Stuttgart did not include him in their squad for it last season…He is a player with virtually no track record."

“he has not yet developed any consistency or patterns – not in his first touch, not in his combination play, not in his timing on headers, not in his shooting. His goals are not the logical consequence of excellent actions and skills. His excellence is not repeatable. And he still has to prove that he can last 50 games in a season, because he is tall but not robust.”

In contrast Lahm sees:

"Under the caring guidance of Arne Slot, something interesting seems to be emerging in Liverpool. Something you want to be a part of. I can well understand why Wirtz was convinced. I experienced it myself at Bayern from 2010 to 2017 and with Germany from 2004 to 2014. Both teams went through a long process, becoming stronger through transfers or new players coming through. In the end, the sum was greater than the individual parts.

I will draw on this community for the rest of my life. Wirtz can now experience something similar, at least at club level. It will be exciting to see whether Liverpool will be a really great team and whether he will be the final piece of the puzzle. As a fan, I hope so"

the Guardian – 12 Sep 25

Florian Wirtz is a sure bet at Liverpool but Newcastle are gambling on Nick...

Two of the summer’s biggest transfer moves from Germany to the Premier League are starkly contrasting prospects

 

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Thought yesterday was his best game for us so far, and that in the context of being good in most games.

That top of the pitch alone against world class defenders, without a lot of possession role is so difficult but he get's on with it nicely and yesterday he was a real threat as well as holding the ball up and linking masterfully at times.

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1 minute ago, Benwell Lad said:

Thought yesterday was his best game for us so far, and that in the context of being good in most games.

That top of the pitch alone against world class defenders, without a lot of possession role is so difficult but he get's on with it nicely and yesterday he was a real threat as well as holding the ball up and linking masterfully at times.


Playing with Barnes is a massive help for him - just to have another player roaming around him - even a Murphy also - it’s the person from midfield we need - someone like a Willock of 3 years ago - creating more space for Big Nick

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1 minute ago, Mikky said:


Playing with Barnes is a massive help for him - just to have another player roaming around him - even a Murphy also - it’s the person from midfield we need - someone like a Willock of 3 years ago - creating more space for Big Nick

 

Spot on.

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There were times when both Barnes and Murphy were close to Wolt and Hall and Tino were providing the width.

I’m sure we’ll see that pattern repeated going forwards. Even with different wing forwards. Hall and Tino made more of a difference to our pattern of play than I was expecting (more fool me).

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1 minute ago, Mikky said:


Is it possible to drop Barnes a bit inwards, play Gordon on the left and Murphy right? Then Tonali and Bruno holding, or is that too much?

 

You never know but I couldn't see all three of them on the pitch unless one is filling in as the central attacker.

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Just now, Skeletor said:

 

Why?

I am just thinking in terms of getting more players around Big Nick

 

I would love to see Barnes run off him, but I suppose with Hall back, yesterdays set up works also - it’s just that midfield runner thaf I think is the final piece 

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5 minutes ago, Lotus said:

There were times when both Barnes and Murphy were close to Wolt and Hall and Tino were providing the width.

I’m sure we’ll see that pattern repeated going forwards. Even with different wing forwards. Hall and Tino made more of a difference to our pattern of play than I was expecting (more fool me).

 

I think almost everyone realised how much we missed those two genuinely top class full backs and their ability to get forward and link up with the wide men.

The evidence of how we performed yesterday when they returned showed how right we were :)

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15 hours ago, Andy said:

Despite the misses, I was much happier with that game from him today than some of the ones where he was scoring from nothing. Actually looked a threat. 

Was just coming in to say exactly this. 

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The header and strike were both clean, just too close with the header and the 2nd was a fantastic save by Donnarumma made to look easier than it was due to him anticipating where Woltemade was going to put it.

 

Seeing players find him in space to get a shot away is the biggest take away. For all he's looked quality we struggled to get him into goalscoring opportunities until yesterday.

 

 

Edited by Hanshithispantz

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Pair of right thick cunts sat behind me yesterday were absolutely berating him and saying he wasn't good enough to play for us.

 

Not as an overreaction to any of his chances, but for not pressing full pelt when he was fucked around the 80th minute.

 

Whoever develops the tech for part-noise cancelling headphones so you can get the atmosphere and not the bellends can charge me whatever they like for them.

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Watching the highlights again, the header is a great effort and the shot from Murphy's ball in the second half is a tough one to convert, but he's got to do better with that through ball from Barnes in the first half. It's a first time shot too, but he's running onto it and has time to pick his spot... you've got to get some air on it. Pre-cup final Isak lashes that into the postage stamp. 

 

Needs Miggy's "shoot higher" advice from 22/23.

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1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

Watching the highlights again, the header is a great effort and the shot from Murphy's ball in the second half is a tough one to convert, but he's got to do better with that through ball from Barnes in the first half. It's a first time shot too, but he's running onto it and has time to pick his spot... you've got to get some air on it. Pre-cup final Isak lashes that into the postage stamp. 

 

Needs Miggy's "shoot higher" advice from 22/23.

I can’t remember who but someone from City did a really great job on that chance to force him to only go on that side. 
 

Granted you’re right about getting some air on it.

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I think sometimes, with strikers, people can be overly critical.  As if the real superstars never ever missed a "sitter" 

Haaland fluffed that chip over Pope, for eg, even discounting Pope's rush of blood and my considered opinion that Thiaw would've cleared it anyway. 

His earlier effort, he smashed straight at Pope, anywhere else it's in. 

Woltermade's 1st half header was decent enough. Powerful and downward. 

The pass thru by Barnes? Granted he could've done better but it. I'd question the notion "pre Cup final Isak would've (buried it)". Cos pre Cup final Isak never missed a sitter, did he? 

His 3rd effort, from the Juice's sublime pass, was instant reflex. Anywhere else, it's in. 

 

 

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