Nick Woltemade

[TheBrownBottle]

5 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

As the central striker of a front 3 but he needs the wide men and maybe an attacking midfielder near him and making runs beyond him. His game isn’t pace, ability in the air or his physicality. It’s his close control and dribbling skills, ability to create space and maybe chances for others. I see him as a lanky Firmino-type basically. Plays centrally but not going to be the main goal getter, but certainly chips in. I think our wingers are too far away from him and the midfield the same. Especially away from home.

 

 

 

He definitely needs inverted wingers being tighter and moving ahead of him as well as at least one midfielder bombing to get the best of him

 

We just don’t play that way, and don’t look like we’re looking to play that way 

[The Prophet]

1 minute ago, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

Completely agree. He does need the AM with him too but cannot see Howe ditching the flat midfield 3.

 

An AM with Woltemade would be suicide mind. You wouldn't see a single team in the league trying it.

[Rod]

6 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

As the central striker of a front 3 but he needs the wide men and maybe an attacking midfielder near him and making runs beyond him. His game isn’t pace, ability in the air or his physicality. It’s his close control and dribbling skills, ability to create space and maybe chances for others. I see him as a lanky Firmino-type basically. Plays centrally but not going to be the main goal getter, but certainly chips in. I think our wingers are too far away from him and the midfield the same. Especially away from home.

 

 

 

Have we not tried that? When he first came here he played no'9 out of desperation. It somewhat worked as he scored a couple of goals but even some of those were flukes.

[HaydnNUFC]

8 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

He definitely needs inverted wingers being tighter and moving ahead of him as well as at least one midfielder bombing to get the best of him

 

We just don’t play that way, and don’t look like we’re looking to play that way 

Yep, feels like an opportunistic buy that we made out of desperation. Bit of a contraction there but I theorise that he wasn’t on our list of strikers as he looked Bayern bound. Bayern were fannying about with Stuttgart so they in turn let us know he’s available for the price they set. We were getting desperate for a striker with any kind of reputation so paid it, regardless of how he may or may not fit into Isak’s position and role.

 

Feels to me that there’s going to be no attempt to change for him. Hasn’t been all season yet. (And he’s still managed to get the goals he has)

 

7 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

An AM with Woltemade would be suicide mind. You wouldn't see a single team in the league trying it.

I assume you’re thinking Woltemade would be dropping deep and being almost alongside an AM in build up, nah not what I meant, the AM would be making runs beyond as well as getting near him when the opposition turns the ball over to us. On top of wingers doing similar things from wider positions. Think we’d need more technical wingers for this though, especially on the right. 
 

AM isn’t exactly essential either. Could be two technical wide men either side of him a la Klopp’s Liverpool with Salah, Mane and Firmino

 

6 minutes ago, Rod said:

Have we not tried that? When he first came here he played no'9 out of desperation. It somewhat worked as he scored a couple of goals but even some of those were flukes.

 

Not especially, or that I can remember. The wingers often have chalk on their boots and he’s on his own centrally. It’s no wonder he can’t keep possession whilst he waits for either the wide men to make a forward pass option or a midfielder to get along side him.

 

 

Edited February 4 by HaydnNUFC

[The Prophet]

@HaydnNUFCI wasn't responding to your good self. I completely agree with your point 

 

It was more aimed at the comment about a number ten. There aren't many about these days and you'll barely ever see one play alongside a striker that isn't an absolute workhorse. Depressingly, to do so a modern day Premier League team would lose too much physicality.

 

Creativity usually comes in the form of overloads these days. You need midfielders who are technically solid and move the ball efficiently up the park. In Bruno, we already have one of the best players in the league at doing so.

 

It's a shit state of affairs mind, the old school number ten was an absolute joy to watch and sorely what football is missing at the moment.

[Kilcline]

He's a fucking great player that we should be building our style of play around.

 

He also wants far too many touches of the ball and needs to be told to take no more than 3, and if he doesn't have options after that, it's on those around him. 

[Ilovetoon8788]

I still feel he can come good. Our tactics and players around him also have to take the blame on why he's looked so shit. They make him look worse than he is. 

 

Howe needs to sort it out. 

[r0cafella]

1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

@HaydnNUFCI wasn't responding to your good self. I completely agree with your point 

 

It was more aimed at the comment about a number ten. There aren't many about these days and you'll barely ever see one play alongside a striker that isn't an absolute workhorse. Depressingly, to do so a modern day Premier League team would lose too much physicality.

 

Creativity usually comes in the form of overloads these days. You need midfielders who are technically solid and move the ball efficiently up the park. In Bruno, we already have one of the best players in the league at doing so.

 

It's a shit state of affairs mind, the old school number ten was an absolute joy to watch and sorely what football is missing at the moment.

I always take the phrase 10 as basically a creative player. Cherki, Odegaard, Exe, Palmer etc. 

[Pata]

10 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I always take the phrase 10 as basically a creative player. Cherki, Odegaard, Exe, Palmer etc. 

 

Don't open it if you are not 100% sure it's safe!

[r0cafella]

Just now, Pata said:

 

Don't open it if you are not 100% sure it's safe!

Auto correct has had me  

 

So has proof reading

[Zero]

Looking at the response here I started to think it’s better for Nick to go.

 

We don’t deserve technical players, despite roaring for one to change the dynamic - once we got one we either can’t change our tactics for him or our fans simply have no patience to wait.

 

for his own career he better find a new club. Bayern would gladly pay less then what we did and makes him top scorer next season.

[LFEE]

52 minutes ago, Zero said:

Looking at the response here I started to think it’s better for Nick to go.

 

We don’t deserve technical players, despite roaring for one to change the dynamic - once we got one we either can’t change our tactics for him or our fans simply have no patience to wait.

 

for his own career he better find a new club. Bayern would gladly pay less then what we did and makes him top scorer next season.

Whats technical about him?

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Zero said:

Looking at the response here I started to think it’s better for Nick to go.

 

We don’t deserve technical players, despite roaring for one to change the dynamic - once we got one we either can’t change our tactics for him or our fans simply have no patience to wait.

 

for his own career he better find a new club. Bayern would gladly pay less then what we did and makes him top scorer next season.

He’s decent with his feet but I wouldn’t describe him as ‘technical’ by any stretch.

 

I also don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect £65m footballers to have something about them 

 

 

Edited February 5 by TheBrownBottle

[duo]

Woltemade is being hung out to dry really as we have bought a player who doesn't suit our system. What we need to do is build the team around him much like we did with Isak.

[McCormick]

Woltemade is fine. The schedule is just relentless and he’s had next to no time with Eddie to hone in on what our system requires of him. People need to stop the chicken little routine on everything, it’s exhausting.

 

 

Edited February 5 by McCormick

[Earp]

8 minutes ago, McCormick said:

Woltemade is fine. The schedule is just relentless and he’s had next to no time with Eddie to hone in on what our system requires of him. People need to stop the chicken little routine on everything, it’s exhausting.

 

 

 

He looks shot of confidence to me 

[CallumG6]

9 hours ago, kenlau88210 said:

 

He was right, though

Elaborate, if you will?

[La Parka]

1 minute ago, CallumG6 said:

Elaborate, if you will?

I'm assuming the fact he's looked lost since October. 

[AJ9]

We just need him to get through this season tbh. He was never the finished article and was never going to seamlessly take Isak’s place. We need to make a decision on him and the team set up next season. He needs time to drill his role. Whatever happens he needs a preseason with us.

[TRon]

8 hours ago, Kilcline said:

He's a fucking great player that we should be building our style of play around.

 

He also wants far too many touches of the ball and needs to be told to take no more than 3, and if he doesn't have options after that, it's on those around him. 

 

 

Not sure I would describe him as a great player, but he has good feet. I don't see how he fits into our system at all, would need a massive overhaul of the way we play, and I don't see Howe doing it. 

[CallumG6]

2 minutes ago, La Parka said:

I'm assuming the fact he's looked lost since October. 

Fair point, but the kid is 23 years old, in a brand new league, and not being utilised properly.

 

Yes he had a good start and has dropped off somewhat, but the whole squad looks way off the pace. 
 

Bit of patience here wouldn’t go amiss.

[London Mag]

Sorry, can't see what this lad brings. Can't head it, can't run, lightweight and this thing about a great touch that is good enough to play as a 10 looks a myth to me. His touch is no better than an average league 1 midfielder. If I could get anywhere near our money back I'd move him on

[Earp]

9 minutes ago, CallumG6 said:

Fair point, but the kid is 23 years old, in a brand new league, and not being utilised properly.

 

Yes he had a good start and has dropped off somewhat, but the whole squad looks way off the pace. 
 

Bit of patience here wouldn’t go amiss.

Spot on

[Craig]

He's missing the aggression and determination to win his duels for me, thinks he's better with his feet than he is so doesn't have to put himself about.

[Mikky]

13 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

Not sure I would describe him as a great player, but he has good feet. I don't see how he fits into our system at all, would need a massive overhaul of the way we play, and I don't see Howe doing it. 

Then more fool us buying him 

 

I can see straight away if he is to play 9 he should do in a 4231 with an advanced 8 behind him and a left footed technical winger on the right 

 

He simply won’t work in this system - it’s so obvious