Víctor Muñoz: Signs For Liverpool

[Mills and Boon]

1 minute ago, Kanj said:

If we knew we’d face competition or not is irrelevant. If he was a target of ours and we liked the deal at 35 or 35+5, and the asking was 40 flat then pay 40 flat. If the player is keen pay him his wages, and if the agent fee is X pay that. Offer a bonus to both if they agree today or 24 hours. Tell them you’re so keen on him and want it done. Want to make him the face of the new rebuild bla bla bla. Thats speed. That’s offering certainty. It takes care of club player and his people. 

 

"I'll think about it."

 

*Gets on phone to other clubs*

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, Kanj said:

If we knew we’d face competition or not is irrelevant. If he was a target of ours and we liked the deal at 35 or 35+5, and the asking was 40 flat then pay 40 flat. If the player is keen pay him his wages, and if the agent fee is X pay that. Offer a bonus to both if they agree today or 24 hours. Tell them you’re so keen on him and want it done. Want to make him the face of the new rebuild bla bla bla. Thats speed. That’s offering certainty. It takes care of club player and his people. 

By all reports this is what happened.

 

The 2-weeks was largely negotiating with Osasuna and Real - when we didn't have too.

[Chris_R]

5 minutes ago, duo said:

Come on man - in light of what happened last Summer speed was the key.  Liverpool tied up the deal in 24hrs - we've been talking for weeks.

 

It's far, far easier to go second though. Especially if you're a bigger club with more pulling power, as Liverpool undoubtedly are

 

We've had to negotiate, find out what all parties want etc which takes days and days of back and forth. Once we've established this and done all the groundwork, another team can just come in and say "What are they paying? Ok, we'll match that." and the player will move there instead.

 

Liverpool simply have not had to do the same amount of work as we have. You cannot compare us to them here by very nature of them going second and what is acceptable to all parties has already been decided and laid out based on our hard work.

[The Prophet]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

We do know they didn't negotiate with Osasuna or Real - which obviously saves a bunch of time.

 

Sure, but I'm not sure why that matters in this instance.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The idea that we wouldn't have minded if we'd been rejected last week instead of today is a bit silly IMO. 

[TRon]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

By all reports this is what happened.

 

The 2-weeks was largely negotiating with Osasuna and Real - when we didn't have too.

 

 

I really hope that wasn't the case. I'm inclined to think Liverpool were always there in the background just letting us do the negotiations before moving in, just like they did with Ekitike. 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

The idea that we wouldn't have minded if we'd been rejected last week instead of today is a bit silly IMO. 

I think the actual point is, we should have known about this when we let Gordon ago. And I think it's more of an overall point of we have a lot to do and a lot is at stake. 

 

Wasting time is a very painful outcome for us. 

[The College Dropout]

Just now, The Prophet said:

 

Sure, but I'm not sure why that matters in this instance.

Kanj said they tied the deal up in 24hrs, you said you weren't convinced.

 

Agreeing terms with a player is a lot quicker than negotiating a fee.

As I keep repeating - we signed Isak in 4 days. You can definitely sign playeers in a short-time span especially with a release clause. That removes the long tail.

[duo]

Clearly two camps here:

• Newcastle messed up
• Liverpool were always going to take him

We are never going to agree 

[The College Dropout]

3 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

I really hope that wasn't the case. I'm inclined to think Liverpool were always there in the background just letting us do the negotiations before moving in, just like they did with Ekitike. 

No - Liverpool didn't negotiate. They activated his release clause. No need for negotiation.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2026/jun/18/victor-munoz-liverpool-newcastle-andoni-iraola-transfer-news#:~:text=The Osasuna winger Víctor Muñoz,beating Newcastle to his signature.

The Osasuna winger Víctor Muñoz will become the first signing of Andoni Iraola’s reign at Liverpool after the club triggered a £34.5m release clause, beating Newcastle to his signature. Muñoz will sign a six-year contract after undergoing a medical on Wednesday in Atlanta, where he is part of the Spain squad at the World Cup.

Liverpool have been following Muñoz’s progress for an extensive period and sped up the deal after Iraola’s appointment because the head coach was eager to add his compatriot. Iraola spent most of his playing career at Athletic Bilbao, continues to closely monitor La Liga and Muñoz has impressed him.

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[Nucasol]

24 minutes ago, Kanj said:

See. We need to move fast today. Like today. 
 

 

I see this snivelling little cumlicker is doing his Cartel overlord’s work again.

[bobbydazzla]

16 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

Who said that?

Apparently it’s the last thing the hare said to the assembled crowd at the start line just before he started the race with the tortoise. 

[The Prophet]

7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Kanj said they tied the deal up in 24hrs, you said you weren't convinced.

 

Agreeing terms with a player is a lot quicker than negotiating a fee.

As I keep repeating - we signed Isak in 4 days. You can definitely sign playeers in a short-time span especially with a release clause. That removes the long tail.

 

I have no doubt Liverpool acted quickly, but a lot of work goes into a transfer. With Isak, we'd been doing the groundwork for weeks, if not months, but were initially scared off by the asking price.

 

My point is, I'm not sure why it's particularly important in the Munoz transfer, when Liverpool only acted once we'd agreed a fee.

 

It's bald men fighting over a comb.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 12:34 by The Prophet

[Stottie]

We should have forced Munoz to have his 24-hour think in the Big Brother house, and confiscated all of his agent's phones.

 

I also find it hard to believe that Liverpool and other clubs read the Evening Chronicle get the low-down on our transfers so they can gazump us.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

8 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I think the actual point is, we should have known about this when we let Gordon ago. And I think it's more of an overall point of we have a lot to do and a lot is at stake. 

 

Wasting time is a very painful outcome for us. 

 

No doubt it's a painful outcome, I just thing the outcome is what should annoy us and the timing isn't too bad. 

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, duo said:

Clearly two camps here:

• Newcastle messed up
• Liverpool were always going to take him

We are never going to agree 

Thats not my view. There's nuance.

 

I think there's things we could've done better/faster that 

1. Would give us a better chance of signing the lad

2. Save us valuable time to pursue other targets

 

Once Iraola was going to Liverpool - aye I think they always jump in - which is fine btw. But we could've beaten them to the punch or not wasted weeks in negotiation.

[The College Dropout]

11 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

I have no doubt Liverpool acted quickly, but a lot of work goes into a transfer. With Isak, we'd been doing the groundwork for weeks, if not months, but were initially scared off by the asking price.

 

My point is, I'm not sure why it's particularly important in the Munoz transfer, when Liverpool only acted once we'd agreed a fee.

 

It's bald men fighting over a comb.

 

 

 

Yeh exactly. Lots of clubs do some level of groundwork for players they never actually sign. We did that for the Brighton lad. Once Brighton put up the money and agreed the fee and wages - it becomes a black and white decision and timing matters.

 

I now believe once Iraola joined - we were pretty much wasting time in fruitless negotiations when we didn't have too. Again, Etikite-Reims deal - no issue at all. We knew quickly what the deal was.

 

Remember we joked about "monitoring" and "tracking". That happens all the time. What matters is actually agreeing fees and wages. All the best players we have signed were tracked and monitored by other bigger clubs - it was us that put up the money and landed the players.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 12:46 by The College Dropout

[Minhosa]

2 hours ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

 of course there’s no way the agent takes that information to the 95k company immediately and then their indicative offer gets firmed up. 

That's fine but it still has to fit in their budget, in their positional priorities and in with their timeline. If if doesn't, for whatever reason, the guy is stuck at £50k if we pull out. That's the leverage we need to start using by having very firm and fast deal parameters with added agent incentives....

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

'Liverpool have been following Munoz's progress for an extensive period and sped up the deal after Iraola's appointment.' I'm sure the player was aware of their interest. I'm sure Liverpool were aware of who Iraola might want to sign before he was formally announced. 

Once again:
Club agrees fee with Osasuna. 

Club agrees terms with player. 
Player agrees deal with Liverpool. 

It was entirely within the players control where he ended up. He has probably negotiated with us to maximise his terms with Liverpool. 

There's a reality where we sign him for the release fee he turns out shite and I have to read an abundance of posts criticising the club for paying the release fee because a different team was looking likely to agree a cheaper deal. 

We should only do deals with shite players who no other clubs want to sign. Bet you can sign Kuqi in a day without anyone coming in for him. 

[Elephant]

This is similar to what I witnessed in Thailand few years ago. There was couple looking at one shirt. I remember them asking for different size and the seller said that it’s the last one available. I don’t remember exact prices in baht, but they offered something like £8 for it and seller accepted it. Then they offered suddenly £6 even though it was already set for that £8. Then there was other guy who just come in and gave £8 for the seller and took the shirt while others were just left with nothing. Sorry English is not my own language.

 

i get the same feeling with this. We could have just pay the release clause and end this week ago.

[Minhosa]

2 hours ago, stozo said:

It’s very easy to say that but actually what you are saying, to give an example, is you are happy with Dan Burn as backup LB next season. I think the base case looking at our SCR situation is we have budget to sign 6 players this window (2 GKs, 1 RB, 1 LB, 1 CM and 1 LW). We could sign five rather than six, which is the approach you are suggesting, but then we are going to leave ourselves short in a position. 

Aye but in those other 5 positions we are MILES stronger just like we would have been if we'd signed our top targets last summer.

 

With Trafford and Ekitike alone, we'd have been top 6 imho.

[The College Dropout]

It's possible we pursue the brighton lad stronger had we known we don't land Munoz. We made the decision that there were better players out there - Munoz being one.

[Astroblack]

Can we just delete this thread, it physically hurts to see. 

[Joe1984]

9 minutes ago, Stottie said:

We should have forced Munoz to have his 24-hour think in the Big Brother house, and confiscated all of his agent's phones.

 

I also find it hard to believe that Liverpool and other clubs read the Evening Chronicle get the low-down on our transfers so they can gazump us.

They have Mr "HERE WE GO!" for that...

[STM]

Newcastle didn't do anything wrong in this deal, nothing whatsoever. Trying to make things up with no substance isnt going to help anything. 

 

Thats whats so utterly painful.

 

Games fucked.

 

We cant overspend to build a reputation of ambition.

We cant pick off the smaller clubs than us because the fees are overinflated.

We cant throw wages at players.

Theres no such thing as secret deals anymore.

Theres no such thing as hidden gems anymore.

 

We can identify and talk to whoever we wish, nothing is going to prevent certain clubs from taking them. Nothing.