Superior Acuña Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Pretty sure this has been mentioned, but the way Americans tend to use the singular 'is' for a team instead of 'are'. For some reason I view it as another sympton of the franchise mentality, like it's a name or company rather than a collection of people. I'm probably being irrational and petty like. But just saw this message from an American friend and I'm pure raging 'Arsenal is getting geared up to dominate Barcelona again'... edit: Does that mean Americans don't say 'we are' when talking about their club? I guess that's where the plurality comes from for me, because when talking about Newcastle I'd always talk of 'we', 'we are s****'. (I know non-footy people get really p*ssed off by us saying 'we') Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Pretty sure this has been mentioned, but the way Americans use the singular 'is' for a team instead of 'are'. For some reason I view it as another sympton of the franchise mentality, like it's a name or company rather than a collection of people. I'm probably being irrational and petty like. But just saw this message from an American friend and I'm pure raging 'Arsenal is getting geared up to dominate Barcelona again'... annoys me a lot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Newcastle United is shit. Seems reasonable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 The club is a singular entity, but I reckon when referring to the first team squad the collective 'are' should definitely be used. It's just weird otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 James Horncastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 How anything Roy Keane says or does or anything new about his appearance sends social media into overdrive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Rivierre's Rio Ferdinand like gob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Pretty sure this has been mentioned, but the way Americans use the singular 'is' for a team instead of 'are'. For some reason I view it as another sympton of the franchise mentality, like it's a name or company rather than a collection of people. I'm probably being irrational and petty like. But just saw this message from an American friend and I'm pure raging 'Arsenal is getting geared up to dominate Barcelona again'... edit: Does that mean Americans don't say 'we are' when talking about their club? I guess that's where the plurality comes from for me, because when talking about Newcastle I'd always talk of 'we', 'we are shite'. (I know non-footy people get really pissed off by us saying 'we') Reminded of the great M83 debate of '15. I think differing use of are/is is just convention rather than a frightening glimpse into our franchise obsessed psyche. see : http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001874.html, http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2011/09/agreement-over-collective-nouns/ and others Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Pretty sure this has been mentioned, but the way Americans use the singular 'is' for a team instead of 'are'. For some reason I view it as another sympton of the franchise mentality, like it's a name or company rather than a collection of people. I'm probably being irrational and petty like. But just saw this message from an American friend and I'm pure raging 'Arsenal is getting geared up to dominate Barcelona again'... edit: Does that mean Americans don't say 'we are' when talking about their club? I guess that's where the plurality comes from for me, because when talking about Newcastle I'd always talk of 'we', 'we are s****'. (I know non-footy people get really p*ssed off by us saying 'we') Reminded of the great M83 debate of '15. I think differing use of are/is is just convention rather than a frightening glimpse into our franchise obsessed psyche. see : http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001874.html, http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2011/09/agreement-over-collective-nouns/ and others Yeah, this is just about grammar. Nothing more. People do say 'we' and 'we are.' Anyone who says 'we is' doesn't know how to speak. Also, that's a hugely contentious point in America. Someone will say 'we' talking about their team and someone with nothing better to add will respond with "you play for them now?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Pretty sure this has been mentioned, but the way Americans use the singular 'is' for a team instead of 'are'. For some reason I view it as another sympton of the franchise mentality, like it's a name or company rather than a collection of people. I'm probably being irrational and petty like. But just saw this message from an American friend and I'm pure raging 'Arsenal is getting geared up to dominate Barcelona again'... edit: Does that mean Americans don't say 'we are' when talking about their club? I guess that's where the plurality comes from for me, because when talking about Newcastle I'd always talk of 'we', 'we are s****'. (I know non-footy people get really p*ssed off by us saying 'we') Reminded of the great M83 debate of '15. I think differing use of are/is is just convention rather than a frightening glimpse into our franchise obsessed psyche. see : http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001874.html, http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2011/09/agreement-over-collective-nouns/ and others Yeah, this is just about grammar. Nothing more. People do say 'we' and 'we are.' Anyone who says 'we is' doesn't know how to speak. Also, that's a hugely contentious point in America. Someone will say 'we' talking about their team and some c*** with nothing better to add will respond with "you play for them now?" Fair enough. Still pisses me off Aye, have pretentious knobheads who don't like football going on about that 'oh, you scored the penalty did you?' Fuck off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Pretty sure this has been mentioned, but the way Americans use the singular 'is' for a team instead of 'are'. For some reason I view it as another sympton of the franchise mentality, like it's a name or company rather than a collection of people. I'm probably being irrational and petty like. But just saw this message from an American friend and I'm pure raging 'Arsenal is getting geared up to dominate Barcelona again'... edit: Does that mean Americans don't say 'we are' when talking about their club? I guess that's where the plurality comes from for me, because when talking about Newcastle I'd always talk of 'we', 'we are s****'. (I know non-footy people get really p*ssed off by us saying 'we') I have noticed this when reading bits about NFL teams. They usually refer to them as 'it' instead of 'they'. I've also noticed fans rarely refer to their team as 'we'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Pretty sure this has been mentioned, but the way Americans use the singular 'is' for a team instead of 'are'. For some reason I view it as another sympton of the franchise mentality, like it's a name or company rather than a collection of people. I'm probably being irrational and petty like. But just saw this message from an American friend and I'm pure raging 'Arsenal is getting geared up to dominate Barcelona again'... edit: Does that mean Americans don't say 'we are' when talking about their club? I guess that's where the plurality comes from for me, because when talking about Newcastle I'd always talk of 'we', 'we are s****'. (I know non-footy people get really p*ssed off by us saying 'we') I have noticed this when reading bits about NFL teams. They usually refer to them as 'it' instead of 'they'. I've also noticed fans rarely refer to their team as 'we'. That's odd, I've rarely come across that. As I know you're all interested in my take on the matter, I tend to use both the singular and plural. Newcastle is, because it's a club and 'club' is singular. Newcastle 'are' to refer to the players/fans, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Pretty sure this has been mentioned, but the way Americans use the singular 'is' for a team instead of 'are'. For some reason I view it as another sympton of the franchise mentality, like it's a name or company rather than a collection of people. I'm probably being irrational and petty like. But just saw this message from an American friend and I'm pure raging 'Arsenal is getting geared up to dominate Barcelona again'... edit: Does that mean Americans don't say 'we are' when talking about their club? I guess that's where the plurality comes from for me, because when talking about Newcastle I'd always talk of 'we', 'we are s****'. (I know non-footy people get really p*ssed off by us saying 'we') I have noticed this when reading bits about NFL teams. They usually refer to them as 'it' instead of 'they'. I've also noticed fans rarely refer to their team as 'we'. That's odd, I've rarely come across that. As I know you're all interested in my take on the matter, I tend to use both the singular and plural. Newcastle is, because it's a club and 'club' is singular. Newcastle 'are' to refer to the players/fans, etc. Yep. 100% correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsted Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Jonathan fucking Pearce, man. Who let that happen? What a slow motion car crash that cunt has been. Given the Coleman and Davies fiascos, and the ongoing Motson one, I dread the next few decades. Jesus Christ, he's abominable. What a twat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapo Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 He had his moments tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Wish he had been thrown out of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Considering the outrage on social media etc these days, it's fairly amazing to think that he was. Loads worse than anything Suarez ever did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Worse than being racist? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 He had his moments tbf That's amazing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Jonathan fucking Pearce, man. Who let that happen? What a slow motion car crash that cunt has been. Given the Coleman and Davies fiascos, and the ongoing Motson one, I dread the next few decades. Jesus Christ, he's abominable. What a twat. Coleman and Davies fiascoes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsted Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Jonathan fucking Pearce, man. Who let that happen? What a slow motion car crash that cunt has been. Given the Coleman and Davies fiascos, and the ongoing Motson one, I dread the next few decades. Jesus Christ, he's abominable. What a twat. Coleman and Davies fiascoes? Yeah, keeping them on when they were old and dithery and out of touch. I was a bit angry when I posted that tbh, but I never rated them. They're humans and I wish them no ill will, but I don't want to be annoyed by old men talking rubbish when I'm watching football. It's bad enough already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Jonathan f***ing Pearce, man. Who let that happen? What a slow motion car crash that c*** has been. Given the Coleman and Davies fiascos, and the ongoing Motson one, I dread the next few decades. Jesus Christ, he's abominable. What a t***. Coleman and Davies fiascoes? Yeah, keeping them on when they were old and dithery and out of touch. I was a bit angry when I posted that tbh, but I never rated them. They're humans and I wish them no ill will, but I don't want to be annoyed by old men talking rubbish when I'm watching football. It's bad enough already. lot of young people even on this board also spout rubbish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Bit rich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Media asking Van Gaal if Rashford should be in the senior national squad. Just leave him alone for a bit man. Hope they start touting him for a big move to someone like Leicester in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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