St James' Park

[madras]

6 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

One things for sure the redevelopment of the Gallowgate will be done to the highest standard when it comes about. Personally hope it’s not a mirror image of the Leazes and we can maybe have some huge single tier sweeping stand. 

Issue with a single tier sweep stand (if I've understood what you mean) would mean the closure of it for some while. Liverpools build around and over thing while it continues to be used would be best for us I think 

[Cort]

Re Leazes Terrace:

 

 

[pedro111]

Christ can you imagine that? Loads of charvers trying to run underneath it on the march to Beamish.

[Big River]

3 hours ago, Cort said:

Re Leazes Terrace:

 

 

 

problem solved! we can walk Leazes Terrace straight into the sea.

[Whitley mag]

3 hours ago, Cort said:

Re Leazes Terrace:

 

 

Game changer this PIF will be all over it. 

[Adam]

 

Some dubious capacity figures but interesting non the less. 

[BrianSwan]

Why are you guys not just building brand new 75-80k seater stadium?

 

Stadium expenditure doesn't affect FFP but stadiums contributes to revenue in money generated. Surely any rich owner therefore would just build a big F off staidum and use the ticket sales to generate money for FFP.

 

1 Billion in London = Spurs stadium, 1 Billion in Newcastle =?

 

 

[Manxst]

8 minutes ago, BrianSwan said:

Why are you guys not just building brand new 75-80k seater stadium?

 

Stadium expenditure doesn't affect FFP but stadiums contributes to revenue in money generated. Surely any rich owner therefore would just build a big F off staidum and use the ticket sales to generate money for FFP.

 

1 Billion in London = Spurs stadium, 1 Billion in Newcastle =?

 

 

Because unlike other clubs, our stadium is intricately woven into the city, both historically as well as physically location wise. It’s more important to extend SJP to 60-70k than to build someplace else for a capacity of 80k. The benefits we might get for a slightly bigger capacity would be negated by moving (imo). Plus the owners have already stated they don’t want to move from SJP if at all possible. 

[LFEE]

11 hours ago, Cort said:

Re Leazes Terrace:

 

 

Just came in to post that as was on my timeline too. Technology so clever.

[bobbydazzla]

3 hours ago, BrianSwan said:

Why are you guys not just building brand new 75-80k seater stadium?

 

Stadium expenditure doesn't affect FFP but stadiums contributes to revenue in money generated. Surely any rich owner therefore would just build a big F off staidum and use the ticket sales to generate money for FFP.

 

1 Billion in London = Spurs stadium, 1 Billion in Newcastle =?

 

 

We have a stadium that’s slap bang in the city centre so it’s an amazing location, that’s why 

[huss9]

Just now, bobbydazzla said:

We have a stadium that’s slap bang in the city centre so it’s an amazing location, that’s why 

and great for the local economy.

[BrianSwan]

 

 

Coming to St James Park soon.

 

Celtic fans are always the best when the music hits, I think you guys will rival them for noise and excitement.

 

[Mr Pups]

8 hours ago, BrianSwan said:

Why are you guys not just building brand new 75-80k seater stadium?

 

Stadium expenditure doesn't affect FFP but stadiums contributes to revenue in money generated. Surely any rich owner therefore would just build a big F off staidum and use the ticket sales to generate money for FFP.

 

1 Billion in London = Spurs stadium, 1 Billion in Newcastle =?

 

 

because the owners have said they want to stay 

[Mr Pups]

On 08/04/2023 at 08:16, Whitley mag said:

One things for sure the redevelopment of the Gallowgate will be done to the highest standard when it comes about. Personally hope it’s not a mirror image of the Leazes and we can maybe have some huge single tier sweeping stand. 

Let's say they go with the original idea and plant the foundations beyond the metro, obviously that structure is going to be HUGE but I also believe that it would still be level with the rest of the stadium. That means the stand itself would have far less of an incline (like a giant Kop). My question would be would they knock down the whole gallowgate and start again? or would it just be the new upper tier that extends way further back at a different angle? aesthetically that would be a bit weird. If the new tier continued at the same incline as the gallowgate we'd be talking way above level 7 which is probably somewhere just below the troposphere. 

 

Also the original plans didn't include the Gallowgate West Corner as I believe this was the most problematic area where the metro is concerned underneath. That means the 7000+ had to come from the gallowgate extra tier alone (the leazes top tier has just over 3000 if you don't include the corner, not a lot considering it's mammoth height) 

[jack j]

Just reading some west ham fans on twitter who are chucking there season tickets because of how soulless their ground is. Plenty already have

Would hate that to be us in years to come

[Sima]

11 hours ago, Adam said:

 

Some dubious capacity figures but interesting non the less. 

Shaka’s Geordie-Trinidadian hybrid accent  

 

Who’s the other pundit? Mark McGhee?

[bowlingcrofty]

 

[Whitley mag]

7 hours ago, Mr Pups said:

Let's say they go with the original idea and plant the foundations beyond the metro, obviously that structure is going to be HUGE but I also believe that it would still be level with the rest of the stadium. That means the stand itself would have far less of an incline (like a giant Kop). My question would be would they knock down the whole gallowgate and start again? or would it just be the new upper tier that extends way further back at a different angle? aesthetically that would be a bit weird. If the new tier continued at the same incline as the gallowgate we'd be talking way above level 7 which is probably somewhere just below the troposphere. 

 

Also the original plans didn't include the Gallowgate West Corner as I believe this was the most problematic area where the metro is concerned underneath. That means the 7000+ had to come from the gallowgate extra tier alone (the leazes top tier has just over 3000 if you don't include the corner, not a lot considering it's mammoth height) 

Aye a 3k increase wouldn’t be feasible or worthwhile, I was sure original plans must have included SW corner aswell.

 

Still think it’s going to take something spectacular and very expensive to get St James anywhere near 65k.

[Keegans Export]

7 hours ago, Mr Pups said:

 

Also the original plans didn't include the Gallowgate West Corner as I believe this was the most problematic area where the metro is concerned underneath. That means the 7000+ had to come from the gallowgate extra tier alone (the leazes top tier has just over 3000 if you don't include the corner, not a lot considering it's mammoth height) 

Surely more than that, isn't it nearer 5,000? The away allocation never goes round the corner and I'm sure we've seen 5k away allocations in the past

[jack j]

11 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

Surely more than that, isn't it nearer 5,000? The away allocation never goes round the corner and I'm sure we've seen 5k away allocations in the past

There is 6 straight blocks in level 7 before it turns into a corner and 5 of them are used for a full premier league away allocation which is about 3k so I reckon it would be about 3500

[Keegans Export]

3 minutes ago, jack j said:

There is 6 straight blocks in level 7 before it turns into a corner and 5 of them are used for a full premier league away allocation which is about 3k so I reckon it would be about 3500

Actually I think you're right, looking at the pictures of the Cambridge away fans at the FA Cup tie, they go all around the corner and that was 5k(ish)

[Vedder]

Away fans used to be in that corner of L7, so I think it must be 3k Leazes L7 and 3k in corner of L7. If we extend the Gallowgate in the same way we’d also get more seats in the equivalent of Leazes L4 corner (2k ish) which is why most people think mirroring the Leazes in the Gallowgate will bring us to approx 60k capacity 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Keegans Export said:

Surely more than that, isn't it nearer 5,000? The away allocation never goes round the corner and I'm sure we've seen 5k away allocations in the past

Definitely not more than 3500 as jack says. I'd agree though you'd think it was a lot more considering its size.

 

One think of note is that level 7 has some of the most generous leg room in SJP, which costs plenty of extra rows 

[Guest]

That's why I think the gallowgate west corner is just as important for development. It's currently only about 2500

 

Gallowgate level 7 - adds 3500

Gallowgate west corner - adds about the same 3500 (on top of that existing 2500)

 

7000 increase if it's a complete mirror image I'd assume they'd tweak it to achieve 60000. 

 

[Wallsendmag]

9 minutes ago, Pancrate1892 said:

That's why I think the gallowgate west corner is just as important for development. It's currently only about 2500

 

Gallowgate level 7 - adds 3500

Gallowgate west corner - adds about the same 3500 (on top of that existing 2500)

 

7000 increase if it's a complete mirror image I'd assume they'd tweak it to achieve 60000. 

 

 

Also the Gallowgate as it is currently is would be increased. At present the South West Corner only goes up to Level 2 but with an expansion they would surely put a Level 4 block of seating in place same as they did in the Leazes lower when it was expanded.

 

Altogether probably an 8k increase at most.