wormy Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 51 minutes ago, TheGuv said: Sounds daft, but it’s the continuation of history. The East Stand is connected to the old Edwardian West Stand, as they were both in situ at the same time. And with the East Stand it has been developed to what we now know today. If the East Stand was knocked down, that connection would continue on to the new Leazes and Milburn. Sounds stupid, but there’s something in that continuation for me. It makes it real. Moving just wouldn’t do it for me. Even if it guaranteed my ST back I guess to me it feels like enough of that connection is still there by it being on the original ground but that's an interesting way of seeing it that I hadn't thought about. It's pretty mad really how many different viewpoints can be taken over this one topic, in a positive way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 They should push plans as much as thru can then either be knocked back or the council allow for a major expansion. If knocked back the club can say to the fans it doesn't have a choice but to move, then build an ott 90k stadium for a £bn (which won't count as part of ffp) and sell the naming rights for £100m a year. It's one massive way to navigate around ffp, and the fans won't be precious about the renaming of SJP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dokko said: They should push plans as much as thru can then either be knocked back or the council allow for a major expansion. If knocked back the club can say to the fans it doesn't have a choice but to move, then build an ott 90k stadium for a £bn (which won't count as part of ffp) and sell the naming rights for £100m a year. It's one massive way to navigate around ffp, and the fans won't be precious about the renaming of SJP. Stadium and infrastructure now counts towards FFP under UEFA rules, and the Premier League are set to follow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, Stifler said: Stadium and infrastructure now counts towards FFP under UEFA rules, and the Premier League are set to follow. Since when? Can't find anything on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 6 hours ago, Doctor Zaius said: I don't want to move like. No way. It's the location, rather than the stadium itself for me. 5 hours ago, TheGuv said: Sounds daft, but it’s the continuation of history. The East Stand is connected to the old Edwardian West Stand, as they were both in situ at the same time. And with the East Stand it has been developed to what we now know today. If the East Stand was knocked down, that connection would continue on to the new Leazes and Milburn. Sounds stupid, but there’s something in that continuation for me. It makes it real. Moving just wouldn’t do it for me. Even if it guaranteed my ST back Aye, has to stay there, for me. We might get a bigger stadium elsewhere but if I walk to that spot one day and it's not there I'll be devastated. Just feels so perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infatuation Junkie Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 15 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: Aye, has to stay there, for me. We might get a bigger stadium elsewhere but if I walk to that spot one day and it's not there I'll be devastated. Just feels so perfect. It can stay there. Training and development centre for sports excellence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSG Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 33 minutes ago, Stifler said: Stadium and infrastructure now counts towards FFP under UEFA rules, and the Premier League are set to follow. Find it hard for that to be the case as you’d be mixing capital and revenue expenditure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) My personal options and choice from Day 1 after the takeover should we need to relocate. 1. The club/owners help upgrade Gateshead International Stadium up to a temporary Premier League/Champions League standards (since our kids played PSG there the other day too). We play there while SJP gets demolished and rebuilt on current site. When we move back in, bring down the capacity at Gateshead International but leave all the other stuff for them for their own future use (facilities wise). 2. Move up the road to Leazes Park and turn current stadium site into a modern green park. Castle Leazes would also be an option if not Leazes Park. 3. Move to the arena site if at all possible and build something quite spectacular there. I would not consider any other options Edited October 6, 2023 by nufcjb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 8 hours ago, Wandy said: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/10/06/newcastle-united-st-james-park-expansion-65000-capacity/ They can squeeze an extra tier onto the East Stand, but only if St James' Terrace bites the dust. Just build a new stadium man, it makes much more sense. Sorry where does it say that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Stifler said: Stadium and infrastructure now counts towards FFP under UEFA rules, and the Premier League are set to follow. I've read that, probably on here, but it surely cant be as it reads - nobody will ever be able to build a new stadium from this point forth and you'd be nuts with a stretched budged to expand too. Its so ridiculously restrictive - you cant expand even though you can afford it, it makes perfect business sense, is good for the economy and the demand is there just because - that in football, with the utter fear of threats to the establishment, I can well imagine it. Edited October 7, 2023 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 6 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: Sorry where does it say that? St James Terrace is Grade II listed anyway. It's not biting the dust Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 I think it makes sense to stay at St James if they can do it. Im a bit of a romantic so will always veer towards maintaining the history and unique aspect of the cathedral on the hill. I think adding 13k of seats would allow a decent number of additional season tickets plus more match by match tickets. The atmosphere would be outrageous too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzle Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 19 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said: I think it makes sense to stay at St James if they can do it. Im a bit of a romantic so will always veer towards maintaining the history and unique aspect of the cathedral on the hill. I think adding 13k of seats would allow a decent number of additional season tickets plus more match by match tickets. The atmosphere would be outrageous too. Unfortunately the cost and actual process would also be outrageous. That's been be the biggest issue for a long time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Doctor Zaius said: St James Terrace is Grade II listed anyway. It's not biting the dust But what if we move it brick by brick to beamish? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) It's behind a payall for me. Is it saying the East Stand expansion is somehow feasible? I want this so bad and ASAP, I need back in! Edited October 7, 2023 by Superior Acuña Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Just now, Superior Acuña said: It's behind a payall for me. Is it saying the East Stand expansion is somehow feasible? It's an article with no new information. Just says they'd like to bring the East Stand and Gallowgate up to the level of the Leazes/Milburn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bally21 Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 As much as I hate to say it, I think we will leave SJP. My preference would be to build new stadium in leazes Park, and then replace the lost parkland by making the old SJP site a park. There are probably barriers regarding building on parkland, etc - but if it could be done then the ground would be within 200 yards of the old ground, so a lot of the matchday feel would be the same. If above is not possible then the arena site would be good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 10 hours ago, Stifler said: Stadium and infrastructure now counts towards FFP under UEFA rules, and the Premier League are set to follow. That was originally the idea but I think they scrapped it in the end didn't they? Now it's just wages, transfer fees and agent payments as a percentage of revenue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Stiffy just making stuff up again and passing it off as fact is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 I have to admit I thought it was the case as well, like, or that it was coming in soon. It was definitely mooted soon after our takeover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 21 minutes ago, Rich said: I have to admit I thought it was the case as well, like, or that it was coming in soon. It was definitely mooted soon after our takeover. This. I wasn’t the only one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 10 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: Sorry where does it say that? Nowhere. It’s my own expertise talking. Seriously though, I think they could do it with St James’ Terrace removed. There would need to be a lot of glass and clever light redirection technology, and you’d probably need to remove the grass from the front of Leazes Terrace, but it’s doable IMO. And the club must think so too if they are looking at expanding that area of the ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 4 hours ago, Doctor Zaius said: St James Terrace is Grade II listed anyway. It's not biting the dust Already been discussed in this thread but that isn’t the case. A grade 2 listed building could be removed, depending on the conditions. The guy who owns St James Terrace said so himself (and also hinted that he was open to selling it for that to happen). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) Leazers Terrace is grade 2 listed, you can’t do fuck all with it. Also, of course he will say that, he’s trying to cash in on his regeneration project. He’s bought and done out the whole street and still has about 50% of them vacant. Don’t mistake a grifter who grifting, for someone being right. Edited October 7, 2023 by Stifler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanegg Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 3 hours ago, Fezzle said: Unfortunately the cost and actual process would also be outrageous. That's been be the biggest issue for a long time It has been a big issue for a long time. But we now have some very wealthy and well connected owners. The Reuben brothers will be playing a massive part in any sort of expansion I would think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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