Toonjam88 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Don't see why they'd buy back that land if they planned to move? Probably had a chance right at that moment and they hadn’t really looked at the cost of extending. It’s all about corporate and boxes to be honest that’s how they make the money at the club it’s no longer your average supporter. And I can’t see how you get more corporate boxes etc in the current SJP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Also let’s not forget (this isn’t in anyway to discredit @Toonjam88either) the owners did state pretty categorically we wouldn’t be moving anywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Tbf, you’d assume with any expansion we wouldn’t be a kick in the arse off 65k. If we get SJP to ~60k, any new stadium would have to be a fair bit bigger than 65k to justify everything that involves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Still 3K+ Rangers tickets available at 5 loyalty points so maybe we should build a new ground back to the original 36k ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Just now, LFEE said: Still 3K+ Rangers tickets available at 5 loyalty points so maybe we should build a new ground back to the original 36k ? I know your gesting but given the season we’ve had the additional expense of European games you can forgive our fans for not being in a hurry to get to Glasgow for a meaningless game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Just now, r0cafella said: I know your gesting but given the season we’ve had the additional expense of European games you can forgive our fans for not being in a hurry to get to Glasgow for a meaningless game. Exactly. Saving the coin for three overseas trips. Iberia over Ibrox all the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: I know your gesting but given the season we’ve had the additional expense of European games you can forgive our fans for not being in a hurry to get to Glasgow for a meaningless game. on a Tuesday night, no less Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Big River said: on a Tuesday night, no less And we’ll still sell the full 8k eventually Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: I know your gesting but given the season we’ve had the additional expense of European games you can forgive our fans for not being in a hurry to get to Glasgow for a meaningless game. I am ?… but I’m making a veiled point at those whinging about not having enough loyalty points turning up the opportunity to build them up. Under the previous owners the 10-12 years away travels were fairly meaningless games also Championship and one EPL season aside. Those people didn’t pick and choose same as you can’t pick and choose your right to attend a final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoForJoy Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 34 minutes ago, Toonjam88 said: Probably had a chance right at that moment and they hadn’t really looked at the cost of extending. It’s all about corporate and boxes to be honest that’s how they make the money at the club it’s no longer your average supporter. And I can’t see how you get more corporate boxes etc in the current SJP There used to be boxes in the East Stand, so there must be some infrastructure still there. https://www.nufc.co.uk/media/24290/st-james-park-takes-shape-by-the-late-80s.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 19 hours ago, NE27 said: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 17 minutes ago, LFEE said: Still 3K+ Rangers tickets available at 5 loyalty points so maybe we should build a new ground back to the original 36k ? Hopefully it costing 20 quid will put those off who would just buy one for the loyalty point. Cos am sure there's plenty non season ticket holders will be going up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 There's a bloke on YouTube who goes around all the grounds reviewing the 'padded seat' areas of clubs. For the price ours doesn't look great, like. Food looks like something you'd get at a school canteen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 hour ago, SteV said: Tbf, you’d assume with any expansion we wouldn’t be a kick in the arse off 65k. If we get SJP to ~60k, any new stadium would have to be a fair bit bigger than 65k to justify everything that involves. It's not quite that simple I don't think - for a start you'd have to compare the costs of expansion vs new stadium. Didn't it end up costing almost as much to expand to L7 as the proposed Castle Leazes stadium would have been to build? There's also the point @Toonjam88 makes that it's all about the hospitality. An extra 5k seats at £650/season isn't going to justify the expense of a new stadium but a whole ring of corporate tickets at £7k/season might do! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Jaqen said: There's a bloke on YouTube who goes around all the grounds reviewing the 'padded seat' areas of clubs. For the price ours doesn't look great, like. Food looks like something you'd get at a school canteen Served up by outsourcing company Sodexo if I’m not wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, Keegans Export said: It's not quite that simple I don't think - for a start you'd have to compare the costs of expansion vs new stadium. Didn't it end up costing almost as much to expand to L7 as the proposed Castle Leazes stadium would have been to build? There's also the point @Toonjam88 makes that it's all about the hospitality. An extra 5k seats at £650/season isn't going to justify the expense of a new stadium but a whole ring of corporate tickets at £7k/season might do! Of course, but ultimately it’s a far easier (for want of a better word) sell in terms of what would undoubtedly be a controversial move, if you can say, ‘it will allow loads more fans to attend matches’, than saying ‘we’ll make more money’. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 It probably goes without saying at this point, but I'd be sick to my stomach if we moved from SJP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Keegans Export said: It's not quite that simple I don't think - for a start you'd have to compare the costs of expansion vs new stadium. Didn't it end up costing almost as much to expand to L7 as the proposed Castle Leazes stadium would have been to build? There's also the point @Toonjam88 makes that it's all about the hospitality. An extra 5k seats at £650/season isn't going to justify the expense of a new stadium but a whole ring of corporate tickets at £7k/season might do! According this article I found on .com they took out a £42m loan for it in 1997 and turfed out bond holders in the Milburn for new corporate areas. Spurs' new ground cost £1bn. You'd think a new ground up here would be cheaper as opposed to in London, but expansion would almost certainly be cheaper you'd think. FWIW, Anfield's extension at the Anfield Road End for an extra 7,000 seats is costing them ~£60m. Edited June 7, 2023 by HaydnNUFC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 hour ago, r0cafella said: Also let’s not forget (this isn’t in anyway to discredit @Toonjam88either) the owners did state pretty categorically we wouldn’t be moving anywhere. For whatever reason people seem to just keep ignoring this, I'm aware things can change and Ghodoussi doesn't have anywhere near the final say, but it was a pretty bold statement to come out with if he wasn't certain it was the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KetsbaiaIsBald Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 hour ago, SteV said: Tbf, you’d assume with any expansion we wouldn’t be a kick in the arse off 65k. If we get SJP to ~60k, any new stadium would have to be a fair bit bigger than 65k to justify everything that involves. 11 minutes ago, Keegans Export said: It's not quite that simple I don't think - for a start you'd have to compare the costs of expansion vs new stadium. Didn't it end up costing almost as much to expand to L7 as the proposed Castle Leazes stadium would have been to build? There's also the point @Toonjam88 makes that it's all about the hospitality. An extra 5k seats at £650/season isn't going to justify the expense of a new stadium but a whole ring of corporate tickets at £7k/season might do! Another point is hopefully is would be is it an initial 65K. At SJP is sounds like it would be very difficult to get to 60K so further expansion would be near impossible. Hopefully if we did move to a 65K stadium it would be designed such that expansion could be iterative. (Note - I personally don't see us moving, although would love moving if the location was the park) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: According this article I found on .com they took out a £42m loan for it in 1997 and turfed out bond holders in the Milburn for new corporate areas. Spurs' new ground cost £1bn. You'd think a new ground up here would be cheaper as opposed to in London, but expansion would almost certainly be cheaper you'd think. It looks like Man City's ground cost about £125m (although there has been a lot of redevelopment of it since then), not a million miles away from £42m in 1997 taking inflation into account Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: According this article I found on .com they took out a £42m loan for it in 1997 and turfed out bond holders in the Milburn for new corporate areas. Spurs' new ground cost £1bn. You'd think a new ground up here would be cheaper as opposed to in London, but expansion would almost certainly be cheaper you'd think. FWIW, Anfield's extension at the Anfield Road End for an extra 7,000 seats is costing them ~£60m. Expansion to SJP likely wouldn’t be cheaper than a brand new ground - depending on how big and how it’s built, of course. Extending the Gallowgate - if it’s even possible - would be a massive civil engineering exercise and would be hugely expensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, KetsbaiaIsBald said: Another point is hopefully is would be is it an initial 65K. At SJP is sounds like it would be very difficult to get to 60K so further expansion would be near impossible. Hopefully if we did move to a 65K stadium it would be designed such that expansion could be iterative. (Note - I personally don't see us moving, although would love moving if the location was the park) That’s a fair point. I’m not convinced we have a need for anything over 70k in the long term, given the population size of the area, but that’s something that can be argued either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Expansion to SJP likely wouldn’t be cheaper than a brand new ground - depending on how big and how it’s built, of course. Extending the Gallowgate - if it’s even possible - would be a massive civil engineering exercise and would be hugely expensive. I find it hard to believe that expanding the Gallowgate would come to close to costing anything near what a new 65,000 capacity ground would cost. Spurs' ground has cost £1 billion, Everton's is ~£500m, the Emirates cost £390m almost 20 years ago. Edited June 7, 2023 by HaydnNUFC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 19 hours ago, HaydnNUFC said: They've frozen the prices again I think? Those on that original 10 year deal have had that extended again so I imagine prices won't go up. Also given they only issued 1000 STs in the summer, they probably won't issue new STs until they extend the ground imo. I hope they don't anyway given there's no way I can afford one right now. Is that true? I was on the 9 year freeze which expired last season. My season ticket went up season just gone by a couple of hundred. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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