José Enrique

[Dave]

It's amazing that a player can sit there and say "I want to play Champions League football, be at a big club like Man U" and people still go "Well it must be Ashley and Pardew wanting rid, it simply has to be. There's no other explanation"

 

I have to say, not one person has said that. A mention of Pardew possibly trying to up our eventual price for him, but why not - doesn't mean Enrique didn't initiate the deal, just that Pardew's sensibly been wanting to up our eventual price for him.

 

There are plenty people hinting at it, be it about the Twitter incident or the Carroll sale or him wanting more money or whathaveyou.

 

When in reality, he simply wants CL football and wants to be at a bigger club. It sucks, but it's truth.

 

A lack of ambition from the club possibly plays a part in him feeling like that though.

 

Hopefully we will invest well in the summer and Enrique and Barton will sign new deals.

 

I can hope.

 

No 'possibly' about it in my eyes. We need to be convincing these players that we are going places ourselves and will win things, even if it's unlikely on the law of averages. Good players will only come/stay here if they believe that the club is trying to move forward and challenge for better things.

[Gallowgate Toon]

The best we can hope for is Ben Arfa comes back and lights up the league. That might give Jose some confidence in the club for next season.

[Greg]

It's amazing that a player can sit there and say "I want to play Champions League football, be at a big club like Man U" and people still go "Well it must be Ashley and Pardew wanting rid, it simply has to be. There's no other explanation"

 

I have to say, not one person has said that. A mention of Pardew possibly trying to up our eventual price for him, but why not - doesn't mean Enrique didn't initiate the deal, just that Pardew's sensibly been wanting to up our eventual price for him.

 

There are plenty people hinting at it, be it about the Twitter incident or the Carroll sale or him wanting more money or whathaveyou.

 

When in reality, he simply wants CL football and wants to be at a bigger club. It sucks, but it's truth.

 

A lack of ambition from the club possibly plays a part in him feeling like that though.

 

Hopefully we will invest well in the summer and Enrique and Barton will sign new deals.

 

I can hope.

 

That's the thing though, I don't think we've shown a lack of ambition yet (although I expect us to).

 

There is no lack of ambition in selling Carroll for £35m and any player in the squad that claims there is, is just looking for an excuse.

 

The lack of ambition is not reinvesting the money. Which we haven't even had a chance to do yet.

 

I agree but I still think that sale may have lead to the likes of Enrique questioning their long term futures and if that lies here at NUFC.

 

We have a good core here and if we add to it well this summer with the money available I don't see why we can't really push on.

 

Just hope Enrique can buy into that.

 

Some people are acting as if he has been sold already.

[80]

It's amazing that a player can sit there and say "I want to play Champions League football, be at a big club like Man U" and people still go "Well it must be Ashley and Pardew wanting rid, it simply has to be. There's no other explanation"

 

I have to say, not one person has said that. A mention of Pardew possibly trying to up our eventual price for him, but why not - doesn't mean Enrique didn't initiate the deal, just that Pardew's sensibly been wanting to up our eventual price for him.

 

There are plenty people hinting at it, be it about the Twitter incident or the Carroll sale or him wanting more money or whathaveyou.

 

When in reality, he simply wants CL football and wants to be at a bigger club. It sucks, but it's truth.

 

As I suspected. Well, it's me who mentioned the twitter incident, but you're seeing shadows - the issue is simply whether that was a genuine accident or a deliberate indication of an issue, regardless of what the problem was or who caused it. It could have been a dig over the sacking of his trusted mentor, it could have been him laying the foundations of a greedy betrayal of a club. Or it could have been absolutely nothing.

 

Aside from that, you've managed to change people - and not the usual suspects - saying Enrique's leaving for more money into people saying Ashley and Pardew are cleverly forcing him out of the club, which is impressive and suits an "everybody's stupid" agenda, but not right.

[Wallace]

Earlier in the season, he was talking about making sure we stayed up and then pushing on next year.  Maybe the players are beginning to realise that the owner has no real intentions of pushing on and if they want to win things and play in Europe, then they will have to move to achieve that.  Everytime, they start to look upwards, the club makes a decision that causes a setback.  If we can't hold onto the local lad who has always dreamed of playing for the club, we have no chance wilth players like Enrique.

 

 

[JH]

It's amazing that a player can sit there and say "I want to play Champions League football, be at a big club like Man U" and people still go "Well it must be Ashley and Pardew wanting rid, it simply has to be. There's no other explanation"

 

I have to say, not one person has said that. A mention of Pardew possibly trying to up our eventual price for him, but why not - doesn't mean Enrique didn't initiate the deal, just that Pardew's sensibly been wanting to up our eventual price for him.

 

There are plenty people hinting at it, be it about the Twitter incident or the Carroll sale or him wanting more money or whathaveyou.

 

When in reality, he simply wants CL football and wants to be at a bigger club. It sucks, but it's truth.

 

A lack of ambition from the club possibly plays a part in him feeling like that though.

 

Hopefully we will invest well in the summer and Enrique and Barton will sign new deals.

 

I can hope.

 

That's the thing though, I don't think we've shown a lack of ambition yet (although I expect us to).

 

There is no lack of ambition in selling Carroll for £35m and any player in the squad that claims there is, is just looking for an excuse.

 

The lack of ambition is not reinvesting the money. Which we haven't even had a chance to do yet.

 

I agree but I still think that sale may have lead to the likes of Enrique questioning their long term futures and if that lies here at NUFC.

 

We have a good core here and if we add to it well this summer with the money available I don't see why we can't really push on.

 

Just hope Enrique can buy into that.

 

Some people are acting as if he has been sold already.

 

 

[Dokko]

Massively short cited if he sights ambition and CL football for a reason to move on then moves to somewhere like Villa or even Liverpool. It's almost laughable. Shows his true character, motivated by money, like every footballer.

 

 

[Dave]

It's amazing that a player can sit there and say "I want to play Champions League football, be at a big club like Man U" and people still go "Well it must be Ashley and Pardew wanting rid, it simply has to be. There's no other explanation"

 

I have to say, not one person has said that. A mention of Pardew possibly trying to up our eventual price for him, but why not - doesn't mean Enrique didn't initiate the deal, just that Pardew's sensibly been wanting to up our eventual price for him.

 

There are plenty people hinting at it, be it about the Twitter incident or the Carroll sale or him wanting more money or whathaveyou.

 

When in reality, he simply wants CL football and wants to be at a bigger club. It sucks, but it's truth.

 

A lack of ambition from the club possibly plays a part in him feeling like that though.

 

Hopefully we will invest well in the summer and Enrique and Barton will sign new deals.

 

I can hope.

 

That's the thing though, I don't think we've shown a lack of ambition yet (although I expect us to).

 

There is no lack of ambition in selling Carroll for £35m and any player in the squad that claims there is, is just looking for an excuse.

 

The lack of ambition is not reinvesting the money. Which we haven't even had a chance to do yet.

 

Disagree, especially when they said all along that he wasn't for sale at any price. You only have to look at the effect it's had on the supposed new contract talks to see that some of the players are unconvinced. From being reportedly close to announcing them, now the players want to wait and see what happens. Even Barton, who has agreed a deal in principle and says he wants to stay etc etc (personally I do believe him) has put the brakes on.

 

We don't know what the feeling is within the dressing room, for all we know they might have been told that we're not going to spend the money.

[Anderson]

Those quotes man. 

[Guest Heneage]

Every player is up for sale. Surely the Carroll transfer convinced everyone of that.

 

If Liverpool, or anyone else, whack a £12m bid for him then he'll go. He'll only have a year left on his deal and we'll snap their hands off. It's a c*** of a situation but that's where we are.

Oh come on, Carroll went for £35 m man, if people want to pay that kind of over the top fee for all our players go for it. We are hardly having a fire sale though.

[JH]

Disagree, especially when they said all along that he wasn't for sale at any price. You only have to look at the effect it's had on the supposed new contract talks to see that some of the players are unconvinced. From being reportedly close to announcing them, now the players want to wait and see what happens. Even Barton, who has agreed a deal in principle and says he wants to stay etc etc (personally I do believe him) has put the brakes on.

 

We don't know what the feeling is within the dressing room, for all we know they might have been told that we're not going to spend the money.

 

Did Liverpool show a lack of ambition in selling Torres?

[alpal78]

This is shit if true. How relaible are those quotes? Could they have been fabricated?

 

I can understand selling Carroll for 35M, but we're not gonna crazy money for him. It's one area that I will assess Pardew on, whether he can sell the club's vision to our star players so that they don't leave in the summer

[Dave]

Massively short cited if he sights ambition and CL football for a reason to move on then moves to somewhere like Villa or even Liverpool. It's almost laughable. Shows his true character, motivated by money, like every footballer.

 

I think people are putting a little too much emphasis on his mention of Villa (and possibly Liverpool) tbh. All he says there is that he knows they've enquired, not that he thinks they're a brilliant bet for the CL.

[80]

That's the thing though, I don't think we've shown a lack of ambition yet (although I expect us to).

 

There is no lack of ambition in selling Carroll for £35m and any player in the squad that claims there is, is just looking for an excuse.

 

The lack of ambition is not reinvesting the money. Which we haven't even had a chance to do yet.

 

But if I can come to the conclusions I've come to about the Board, so can they. And they're closer to the action so they might well be picking up even more on the grapevine.

[Ritchie]

Jose. 

 

How could you do this to us?! 

[Dave]

Disagree, especially when they said all along that he wasn't for sale at any price. You only have to look at the effect it's had on the supposed new contract talks to see that some of the players are unconvinced. From being reportedly close to announcing them, now the players want to wait and see what happens. Even Barton, who has agreed a deal in principle and says he wants to stay etc etc (personally I do believe him) has put the brakes on.

 

We don't know what the feeling is within the dressing room, for all we know they might have been told that we're not going to spend the money.

 

Did Liverpool show a lack of ambition in selling Torres?

 

Torres has played like a drunk for the last 18 months, and Chelsea were willing to bankroll them buying a top striker and the best young striker in England to replace him. Also, they had those moves lined up before letting Torres go, amazingly enough. So no.

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

The fans on that forum link sound gutted. Excellent!

 

Full circle?

[Thespence]

Can't blame if does one. With a lack quality of left backs knocking around they will easily get around  £12m to 15m regardless of him having a year left on his contract. I am forecasting he leaves via a transfer request as well & the clubs PR machine kicking in once again. 

 

"He put a transfer request in & with only 12 months left on his contract what else could we do? He wanted to go"

"The money from Enrique sale will help us secure Tiote "

"Look since HE left we have a zillion draws & 1 win, who is Jose?"

[Dave]

Can't blame if does one. With a lack quality of left backs knocking around they will easily get around  £12m to 15m regardless of him having a year left on his contract. I am forecasting he leaves via a transfer request as well & the clubs PR machine kicking in once again. 

 

"He put a transfer request in & with only 12 months left on his contract what else could we do? He wanted to go"

"The money from Enrique sale will help us secure Tiote "

"Look since HE left we have a zillion draws & 1 win, who is Jose?"

 

 

And a bunch of mugs people will buy it once again and turn on him, as 80 mentioned earlier.

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

Seems to have had a run of 'poor' games, since Carroll left. Coincidence?

[80]

Disagree, especially when they said all along that he wasn't for sale at any price. You only have to look at the effect it's had on the supposed new contract talks to see that some of the players are unconvinced. From being reportedly close to announcing them, now the players want to wait and see what happens. Even Barton, who has agreed a deal in principle and says he wants to stay etc etc (personally I do believe him) has put the brakes on.

 

We don't know what the feeling is within the dressing room, for all we know they might have been told that we're not going to spend the money.

 

Did Liverpool show a lack of ambition in selling Torres?

 

Torres has played like a drunk for the last 18 months, and Chelsea were willing to bankroll them buying a top striker and the best young striker in England to replace him. Also, they had those moves lined up before letting Torres go, amazingly enough. So no.

 

Indeed. Can't emphasise the last sentence enough, they parried a blow and came back with a haymaker by spending every penny. Some might question the wisdom (I don't), but rhetorically it was a massive statement of intent which is rewarding in itself. No one was talking about Liverpool's new plight as a selling club, but they were talking about our historic 'place' in football. Players at other clubs will consider the prospect of a bright future for their careers on Merseyside, they won't here.

[Dave]

FWIW I don't think it's nailed on that he'll be off, before anyone accuses me of that. Also, I accept there are two or three sides to every story.

 

We shouldn't be selling our best players, hopefully we can convince Enrique he's one of those and that we want to build on him being here. Same with Barton. If we can't, they'll rightly up sticks and go somewhere that values them accordingly.

[JH]

Disagree, especially when they said all along that he wasn't for sale at any price. You only have to look at the effect it's had on the supposed new contract talks to see that some of the players are unconvinced. From being reportedly close to announcing them, now the players want to wait and see what happens. Even Barton, who has agreed a deal in principle and says he wants to stay etc etc (personally I do believe him) has put the brakes on.

 

We don't know what the feeling is within the dressing room, for all we know they might have been told that we're not going to spend the money.

 

Did Liverpool show a lack of ambition in selling Torres?

 

Torres has played like a drunk for the last 18 months, and Chelsea were willing to bankroll them buying a top striker and the best young striker in England to replace him. Also, they had those moves lined up before letting Torres go, amazingly enough. So no.

 

Indeed. Can't emphasise the last sentence enough, they parried a blow and came back with a haymaker by spending every penny. Some might question the wisdom (I don't), but rhetorically it was a massive statement of intent which is rewarding in itself. No one was talking about Liverpool's new plight as a selling club, but they were talking about our historic 'place' in football.

 

Which we still effectively could do.

[tmonkey]

I'd like to see van Aaonholt lined up as a replacement if Enrique does leave. Leaves alot to be desired defensively at present, but looked a well rounded young player with good potential when he was with us and at his age clearly has much room for improvement. Plus we'd be getting him off the back of 5 months in the Championship which is the type of loan that'll do him a bit of good.

 

Don't think he's good enough to be Chelsea first-team material anytime soon either.

[Wallace]

Can't blame if does one. With a lack quality of left backs knocking around they will easily get around  £12m to 15m regardless of him having a year left on his contract. I am forecasting he leaves via a transfer request as well & the clubs PR machine kicking in once again. 

 

"He put a transfer request in & with only 12 months left on his contract what else could we do? He wanted to go"

"The money from Enrique sale will help us secure Tiote "

"Look since HE left we have a zillion draws & 1 win, who is Jose?"

 

 

And a bunch of mugs people will buy it once again and turn on him, as 80 mentioned earlier.

 

And the club will say they were willing to offer him an improved contract but x club were going to offer him more money cue accusations of him only moving for the money and being another greedy player.