indi Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Who is it that decides which words are acceptable? The people at which they are directed, generally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnbull2000 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 So going by the video evidence, what's the consensus on here? Reading his lips, I'm not so sure he's guilty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodite Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 So going by the video evidence, what's the consensus on here? Reading his lips, I'm not so sure he's guilty. He's already admitted saying the words, panel just needs to judge context. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodite Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 He is accused of calling Ferdinand a ‘f****** black ****’ during the match at QPR’s Loftus Road stadium. But afterwards he told Ferdinand, whose brother Rio plays alongside Terry for England, that the remarks had been taken out of context, insisting he actually said: ‘Oi, Anton, do you think I called you a black ****?’ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 It's clear as day he calls Ferdinand a "fucking black cahnt" and he's already admitted saying it. Terry says he was having a conversation with Ferdinand, Ferdinand says he had no idea Terry had spoken to him until after the game. It's far more nailed on than the Suarez one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Fuck me, racism is all you hear about these days. My 2 or 3 non-white (is that term allowed these days?) friends don't get offended by a lot of terms and find it quite funny when us limeys get on our high horses about nothing comments with zero malice in them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Dr.Spaceman playing the 'I have non-white friends' card Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 People love to complain in this country, and I guess racism is an easy thing to pick up on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 f*** me, racism is all you hear about these days. My 2 or 3 non-white (is that term allowed these days?) friends don't get offended by a lot of terms and find it quite funny when us limeys get on our high horses about nothing comments with zero malice in them. racism isn't all you hear about and it's not so much the terms as the circumstances in which the terms are used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 People love to complain in this country, and I guess racism is an easy thing to pick up on. Yeah silly people getting offended by racism, Muppets! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mantis Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 f*** me, racism is all you hear about these days. My 2 or 3 non-white (is that term allowed these days?) friends don't get offended by a lot of terms and find it quite funny when us limeys get on our high horses about nothing comments with zero malice in them. People are on their high horse in support of the people who expressed offence (non-white) at the abuse and against weak clubs and the FA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 No one would bat an eyelid if you said the Swedish word for coloured in a discussion like that... Why would they? The Swedish word exists in a completely different, ahistorical context compared to the English one. Stupid comparison. Yeah, never mind reading the context of why I said that. Wullie wondered how the U.K compares to other Westernised countries, and I gave him one. And let's be honest, it's not like you've got a fucking clue what the context of the Swedish word is, do you? So until you can give a better comparison, I suggest you keep your mouth firmly shut before you start patronising me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 That said, I personally find the term 'coloured person' really offensive and although not really racist, its arguably more damaging than say the phrase 'darkie' or 'nigger' (depending on context of course) and that's because if shows utter ignorance and highlight's one's 'colour' when colour shouldn't even come into it. It is basically a nice way or a none racist way to say "hey you're black" or not white. How is darkie (a word you have used a few times) less offensive than coloured? How does it not highlight someone's colour in exactly the same way? Darkie or Nigger are obviously far worse, not overly fond of coloured either from a personal point of view. White, black or Asian seems to be the more acceptable types of description if you have to point out someone's colour Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Think I threw my back out cringing when Hansen started talking about 'coloured players'. Gary turned pink. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 In defence to Hansen he obviously meant no harm and is clearly just ignorant to the word. I work and socialise with plenty of people who say it all the time without a seconds thought. Perhaps being in the public eye as much as he is he really should take more notice of such things but I still think it's unfortunate on his part and the very worst that should happen is for him to be sent on some sort of course and maybe another short apology at the start of the programme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 No one would bat an eyelid if you said the Swedish word for coloured in a discussion like that... Why would they? The Swedish word exists in a completely different, ahistorical context compared to the English one. Stupid comparison. Yeah, never mind reading the context of why I said that. Wullie wondered how the U.K compares to other Westernised countries, and I gave him one. And let's be honest, it's not like you've got a fucking clue what the context of the Swedish word is, do you? So until you can give a better comparison, I suggest you keep your mouth firmly shut before you start patronising me. http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2681/watchoutwegotabadassovea.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Too right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 People love to complain in this country, and I guess racism is an easy thing to pick up on. Yeah silly people getting offended by racism, Muppets! http://i.imgur.com/Etoh5.jpg I am offended! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 "Coloured" more offensive than "darkie". :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 "Coloured" more offensive than "darkie". :lol: In a post talking about people's ignorance, beautiful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Imagine Hansen had said darkie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 The overreactions, man. Maybe that's what's needed though, I don't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Just realised how dodgy IPs avatar looks in this thread if you don't watch Curb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 I'd be interested to know how our free speech in Britain compares to other Westernised countries. Nobody would defend Alan Hansen's right to wear a white hood on MOTD but complaining about a harmless word in a harmless context on a football show, regardless of whether you're black or white, is canny pathetic if you ask me. In Victoria, Australia there is a law on the books that gets the back up of all the conservatives - I think it's called the Racial Hatred and Villification Act. When properly applied, virtually any derogatory reference to racial grouping or heritage is a criminal offence. It's rarely applied though, but if (for instance) Michael Clarke or Lucas Neill spoke the way Terry and Suarez are alleged to have, then elements in the media would see to it that the racial hatred laws were applied. If Richie Benaud referred to "coloured" people live on air, the only thing that would save his job is his iconic status in the media industry - anyone else would be gone that day. But then, Australia is a fucking redneck wonderland, so we probably need laws like that to bring Australia into the 21st century - "boat people" have become a genuine political issue, but only because both major parties want to be seen as the toughest on "illegal immigration". We also had race riots as little as six years ago, while a neo-fascist party won a third of the primary vote in a Queensland election just over a decade ago... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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