Cajun Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Those bloody Ferdinands and their ridiculous over reactions to one of them being racially abused. PC gone mad! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 I've just been watching Match of the Day and seen they're suggesting that Anelka was making anti-semitic gestures when he scored, the 'spurs fans have been pulled up for chanting "Yid Army", and there seems to constantly be at least one story doing the rounds about racism, just in English football. I appreciate it is a sensitive subject, but some if it seems to be over the top, and a load of nonsense to be honest. Especially, when you turn away from racism and look at the abuse about Carroll being a Gypsy or whatever. At what point do you draw the line, and will we slowly see the demise in 'banter' between fans? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 If Anelka was making anti-semetic gestures then I imagine the line can be drawn far after that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 If Anelka was making anti-semetic gestures then I imagine the line can be drawn far after that Aye - I agree, haha. :lol: It's just if it was a gesture to a friend, like, a none-racist one, then the area becomes Grey for me. It's like theoretically Suarez kissing his wrist could be offensive to people. Dancing like a prick could be. Doing the machine-gun celebration could be. When a player does an aeroplane is that offensive to people who suffered 9/11? Like I'm sure you get where I am coming from. It's like the HSBC adverts of old... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 I've just been watching Match of the Day and seen they're suggesting that Anelka was making anti-semitic gestures when he scored, the 'spurs fans have been pulled up for chanting "Yid Army", and there seems to constantly be at least one story doing the rounds about racism, just in English football. I appreciate it is a sensitive subject, but some if it seems to be over the top, and a load of nonsense to be honest. Especially, when you turn away from racism and look at the abuse about Carroll being a Gypsy or whatever. At what point do you draw the line, and will we slowly see the demise in 'banter' between fans? There's a a big step between stopping anti-semetic chants and stopping banter. West Ham fans singing 'Hitler's coming for you' and making hissing noises is hardly banter and so they were rightly pulled up on it. Nobody wants to see the end of fan banter but the message needs to be that racism/anti-semetism is in no way acceptable. edit: just seen your response and yeah I see your point. I still think there is a difference between things being just offensive and things being racist though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 I'm all for just stopping shit banter all together tbh. I'd just as quickly kick the spuds out for that pathetically long and slow rendition of The Saints Go Marching In than I would the West Ham fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 I'm all for just stopping s*** banter all together tbh. I'd just as quickly kick the spuds out for that pathetically long and slow rendition of The Saints Go Marching In than I would the West Ham fans. I'm all for having a patter police. Anyone caught singing 'he scores when he wants' should be banned from all grounds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 There is some utter shite banter like at times too, which is dreadful but in a bizarre sense amusing, nevertheless. Purely for the WTF element. Don't get me wrong, I am all for racism being stamped out, but I just think the line between banter and racism/abuse is getting a Greyer area with too many campaigns or groups trying to justify themselves rather than have a bit of sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penn Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Don't get me wrong, I am all for racism being stamped out, but I just think the line between banter and racism/abuse is getting a Greyer area with too many campaigns or groups trying to justify themselves rather than have a bit of sense. Can you give an example? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Don't get me wrong, I am all for racism being stamped out, but I just think the line between banter and racism/abuse is getting a Greyer area with too many campaigns or groups trying to justify themselves rather than have a bit of sense. Can you give an example? Off the top of my head, you have the Steven Taylor incident. You then have things like the Andy Carroll incident where they were saying he was a gypsy and one national reporter said it was racist or something. Potentially, you have this Anelka incident. There are probably a lot more but I cannot be arsed to find them all... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe_next_year Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Don't get me wrong, I am all for racism being stamped out, but I just think the line between banter and racism/abuse is getting a Greyer area with too many campaigns or groups trying to justify themselves rather than have a bit of sense. Can you give an example? Off the top of my head, you have the Steven Taylor incident. You then have things like the Andy Carroll incident where they were saying he was a gypsy and one national reporter said it was racist or something. Potentially, you have this Anelka incident. There are probably a lot more but I cannot be arsed to find them all... Stephen Taylor was pure ignorance, but footballers with their massive public profile need to know better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Don't get me wrong, I am all for racism being stamped out, but I just think the line between banter and racism/abuse is getting a Greyer area with too many campaigns or groups trying to justify themselves rather than have a bit of sense. Can you give an example? Off the top of my head, you have the Steven Taylor incident. You then have things like the Andy Carroll incident where they were saying he was a gypsy and one national reporter said it was racist or something. Potentially, you have this Anelka incident. There are probably a lot more but I cannot be arsed to find them all... Stephen Taylor was pure ignorance, but footballers with their massive public profile need to know better Aye, they should no better. All I am getting at is to what degree though - like I wouldn't know what gestures might offend a Chinese person, or Italian, or whatever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe_next_year Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Don't get me wrong, I am all for racism being stamped out, but I just think the line between banter and racism/abuse is getting a Greyer area with too many campaigns or groups trying to justify themselves rather than have a bit of sense. Can you give an example? Off the top of my head, you have the Steven Taylor incident. You then have things like the Andy Carroll incident where they were saying he was a gypsy and one national reporter said it was racist or something. Potentially, you have this Anelka incident. There are probably a lot more but I cannot be arsed to find them all... Stephen Taylor was pure ignorance, but footballers with their massive public profile need to know better Aye, they should no better. All I am getting at is to what degree though - like I wouldn't know what gestures might offend a Chinese person, or Italian, or whatever. Fair enough, I Would agree, but say if an english player had made the gesture Anelka did, I think it would be unreasonable to expect him to know that was an anti-Semitic gesture in France and wouldn't expect him to be punished for it, but he is going to be under scrutiny in his own country and is a part, however small, of representing the premier league brand in France and as much as I hate the idea of 'advertising' the league, one aspect I'd Like to see represented is our inclusive nature regardless of race/colour/religion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkwdavis2001 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 The Spurs Y** thing being another example Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Don't get me wrong, I am all for racism being stamped out, but I just think the line between banter and racism/abuse is getting a Greyer area with too many campaigns or groups trying to justify themselves rather than have a bit of sense. Can you give an example? Off the top of my head, you have the Steven Taylor incident. You then have things like the Andy Carroll incident where they were saying he was a gypsy and one national reporter said it was racist or something. Potentially, you have this Anelka incident. There are probably a lot more but I cannot be arsed to find them all... Stephen Taylor was pure ignorance, but footballers with their massive public profile need to know better Aye, they should no better. All I am getting at is to what degree though - like I wouldn't know what gestures might offend a Chinese person, or Italian, or whatever. Fair enough, I Would agree, but say if an english player had made the gesture Anelka did, I think it would be unreasonable to expect him to know that was an anti-Semitic gesture in France and wouldn't expect him to be punished for it, but he is going to be under scrutiny in his own country and is a part, however small, of representing the premier league brand in France and as much as I hate the idea of 'advertising' the league, one aspect I'd Like to see represented is our inclusive nature regardless of race/colour/religion. Aye, I see where you're coming from like. To be fair though, there could be 'new' gestures or insults kicking about in the UK that I wouldn't know about, so to a point it is unreasonable to assume Anelka knows every offensive gesture or insult in France, especially saying as France is like twice the size. I do agree in that, we want the Premier League to show it is all inclusive as you said, however. Ultimately, there is no way of proving what he meant by it, and he will and probably should get off with a slap on the wrist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 http://i.imgur.com/YJnJ0YJ.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Can't fucking stand Sol Campbell. How many times does he cry the race card? He wasn't England captain, nor is he a manager because he's an absolute twat. Not because he's black. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 BUY MY BOOK, GIVE ME MONEY Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Has anyone been captain for 10 years? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Just remembered he played for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Just remembered he played for us. dat ass Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 He wasn't England captain, nor is he a manager because he's an absolute twat. Not because he's black. Tbf, former black players seemingly being denied the opportunity to manage/coach is a bit of a thing in just about every sport save the NBA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 He wasn't England captain, nor is he a manager because he's an absolute twat. Not because he's black. Tbf, former black players seemingly being denied the opportunity to manage/coach is a bit of a thing in just about every sport save the NBA. How many black managers are there in the Football League? Hughton and Chris Powell? Is Terry Connor still managing somewhere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 He wasn't England captain, nor is he a manager because he's an absolute twat. Not because he's black. Tbf, former black players seemingly being denied the opportunity to manage/coach is a bit of a thing in just about every sport save the NBA. How many black managers are there in the Football League? Hughton and Chris Powell? Is Terry Connor still managing somewhere? mick mccarthys assistant again at Ipswich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 He wasn't England captain, nor is he a manager because he's an absolute twat. Not because he's black. Tbf, former black players seemingly being denied the opportunity to manage/coach is a bit of a thing in just about every sport save the NBA. How many black managers are there in the Football League? Hughton and Chris Powell? Is Terry Connor still managing somewhere? mick mccarthys assistant again at Ipswich Poor guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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