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And you have a go at us for not knowing what the Glazers are like.

Spot on!

At least you'll get paid We got fuck all bunce when the fat cunt renamed our stadium and painted a logo on the roof that was so big you could see it from outer space

Yeah, I was just thinking about Burnley’s promotion, but I assume they always knew that was very likely anyway.

That’s class.

Be patient. It's coming. Old Trafford's naming rights will be sold, you can guarantee that.

I’m surprised this needs explained, but they’re not seahorses and they represent the city from the coat of arms

Rooted to his line at crosses. Had links with Leeds and a few others. Selz is 30+..... he's seemingly improved crazy this year, he was a weak link last year. We had him in his mid 20's.... he wasn't very good. I dunno. I like Pope. Our lack of transfer wokeness has been an advantage for us. I don't want one of these regen keepers that can't handle pressure or a cross.

Hope said it was months ago. Gone pretty quiet since.

You can play us a tune on your tiny violin when you're giving away all of your advertising space at Old Trafford to Ineos for free And your players are cooling down in paddling pools and wheely bins

I feel bad for Willock that his part in that campaign is getting written out of history.

We have to be. How can we not be in the market? There's still a brand there that needs to be protected. Our accounts are public as well. Ratcliffe doesn't need to lie. We can see how bad it is. I know how bad it looks that the community side is going to shit. I truly believe that it's not a permanent solution, but tight measures need put in place right now or we're in big trouble.

If you were truly skint you wouldn’t be in the market in summer. But you will be won’t you?. Because you’re not as strapped for cash as Ratcliffe will have you believe. Cancelling a 50k emergency fund for old players whilst happily paying over the odds on wages and transfer fees ain’t a necessary cut mate. It’s forgetting the community side of a football club.

What do you think is happening with us though? We're being dragged through the media as we're cutting free lunches for staff because there's less than an empty shell. The stadium hasn't been touched and is rotting. We've been bought some time by Ratcliffe, who has already invested a decent amount of his own money, but we are hanging on by the skin of our teeth because we're lucky to have one of the best players in the world who is dragging us to cup wins. Without Ratcliffe's cash injection we were fucked, and I think the Glazers knew it which is why they opened some of the club up for purchase in the first place.

A large part of 22/23 success was the Joe's bombing up and down for 90 minutes.

Not personally. Not that attached to badges so it could be changed if / when PIF sold us on... Personally I think the current one lends itself to a blazer more than a strip / casual wear, some of the designs on here I've quite liked. Also the idea of having a simpler one on the strips and the current as a club badge ala Liverpool seems an ok compromise but like I say no overly bothered either way

Was just looking at his FBRef, and got distracted, this Finn Dahmen at Ausberg looks half decent

You've just come in this thread to start trouble haven't you.

He was our weakest link at LB. He's not looked a weak link at CB at all this season. Everyone down that right side of the pitch has looked a weak link at points this season. Including Schar.

In 22/23 this was true enough, in 23/24 this was extremely false.

I'd happoly see the seahorses gone. We don't need any Magpies either tbh - ateast not 2. I'd go with a bigger black and white badge and castle with a Magpie on the middle. Honestly I wouldn't mind a Juventus style rebrand.

Worked fine for Forest with Selz?

Where do you draw the line for necessary cuts though? As I mentioned above, we're £1b in debt. The debt stands at 1.7x our annual revenue. Maybe a poor comparison, but the average UK wage is £37,500. Imagine someone earning that being £60,000+ in debt. You would be licking the back of cling film to try and save money.

Agree and understood. But how much was your revenue when they bought the club and how much is it now ? What is your net transfer spending during that period? I'm not suggesting the glazer are good owners but please don't compare to Ashley as the only metric which your team wins or loses depending on how you look at it is the debt. As for mike Ashley he gutted the club and left behind nothing but an empty shell.

The Glazers and Ashley are both terrible football owners but in different ways. Ashley treated Newcastle as a subsidiary of Sports Direct and through mismanagement, hiring cronies and a lack of investment, he allowed the club to turn into a lower half PL team that regularly fights relegation and one has commercial revenues that are a fraction of previously comparable rivals. The Glazers took ownership of Man united through a leveraged buyout, putting the club into debt that is effectively secured on their future revenues. As an ownership group they have benefitted significantly (into the billions) from a combination of dividend payments, share sales and management contracts. They have overseen chronic financial mismanagement of the club that is only partly mitigated by their impressive commercial revenues, which are a function of man united's legacy rather than anything the Glazers have proactively done. Of course Man U have won trophies under the Glazer's tenure but their starting point was taking over one of the biggest clubs in the world 20 years ago.