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Most of those posting about him on RTG weren't even alive in 1977. Would they have not done the same had the boot been on the other foot? Possibly not, but probably yes. If things had been the other way round they would have thought them pathetic knackers for still whining about it nearly half a century later. They would be right. They should just let it go and enjoy tonight for what it is, a chance. I will be watching, my first Sunderland game of the season on TV ( I occasionally attend the SoL of I can get in for free) and I hope they win.

As far as Europa goes, I've stated already that I didn't think 3rd placed "losers" in the CL group stages should've parachuted into the EL. Ergo that means teams from the top performing leagues (Eng, Spain, Germany, Italy and, at a push France) that finish outside of their CL qualification will always be favourites for EL glory. However, when that means 5th 6th (?) placed because CL qualifications take the very best 4 then you have to take a long hard look at the depth of those leagues. There were still some decent teams in the EL at the start. You also have to consider these teams ability to play in both domestic and Europe competitions effectively. Look how we struggled. I think the Spurs v Man U thing is an anomaly. Need to see how it goes. I think the bigger issue, for UEFA, is Chelsea pissing the Conference with their 2nd team. Desperately bad look.

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/manchester-city-transfer-news-man-city-report-brazilian-star-on-verge-of-becoming-first-summer-signing-wesley-signings-rumours-gossip-paper-talk-mcfc https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/man-city-pushing-flamengo-wonderkid-wesley-pep-guardiola-aim-beat-man-utd-brazilian-full-back/blt3062dac093935377

21-year old from Flamengo. Really wish we'd tap into the Brazilian & Argentinian market more.

Fingers crossed they choose Wesley. Where have you seen this?

Apparently it’s between Tino and Wesley, never heard of him tbf.

What isn't: the design? The colours? The remake of the 98 shirt? All of the above?

Was worried when they mentioned city lack home grown players and wanted a left back but my concern was Hall and not Tino.

I don't mind Spurs winning it. I think we've overtaken them now. Man Utd though, fuck another £200m spent throwing money at it, along with another Champions League campaign.

32 (Jesus!) years ago - one of my favourites homes - Leicester 7-1 and the non-stop debut of the Andy Cole song! Scoring a hat-trick and not getting the match ball is quite a feat!

Not a chance the 3rd has a badge that doesn’t align with the colours of the kit.

What a relief. Pep needs some more money after that £200 mill spent in January

Happy birthday Big Van Burn

Also linking them to Tino.

I’ll be supporting both Manchester clubs precisely because it’ll mean next to nowt to them versus the alternatives. Fuck Palace and Spurs.

His first book is really good, like. Keep meaning to grab the follow-up and hadn't realised he had another one on the way.

I think I would rather Spurs win it than Man United, feels like it'd mean 10x more to them than Man United, I think Man United as a whole are mainly thinking about winning it in terms of getting Champions League, whereas I think for Tottenham its mainly about winning something. It'd also be really depressing if Man United have their worst season in nearly 40 years, and they still end up winning a trophy.

Very harsh, Yorkie raises plenty of salient points. Not everything has to be seen through a B&W lens. European football has been in a deeply unhealthy state for some time, and even the extension of the Conference League looks likely to be won by half-arsed big English clubs. Yes, we all want to win more trophies - but it’s perfectly reasonable to be concerned re the state of football.

Have you got a link to this specific rule? Assume the same would apply to Arsenal if they’re in Pot 2? edit - found it, although I’m not sure how clear this actually makes things?

Bournemouth has been the game they will most likely drop points in for some time anyway. The draw at the Amex was a good one imo. We always needed to beat Evertonand Chelsea but that draw is a safeguard against Villa.

Let's fucking hope it's Man Utd or Spurs.

What’s with the Star Wars font?

Shame we're not going to have a Bristol City v Coventry final.

From Dale Johnson ESPN This is like the earlier scenario relating to eighth and the Europa League, the difference being the European titleholder finishes in the first place outside the European positions. For this to happen a European title winner would need to finish eighth. This cannot happen this season. So, the Conference League winners finish in eighth place -- one below the Conference League spot. Chelsea play in the Europa League as Conference League winners, and the Premier League has eight teams in Europe. Champions League: 1-4 Europa League: 5, 6, UCoL winners (8) Conference League: 7 Now the EPS is applied with fifth in the UCL, and as this creates the plus-1 in all scenarios there are now nine teams in Europe. The European places drop down one, but as Chelsea already have a place in the Europa League, the Conference League spot "jumps" over them and goes to ninth. Champions League: 1-5 Europa League: 6, 7, UCoL winners (8) Conference League: 9 The same EPS logic can be applied to push the allocation down two or three places in the league. It requires multiple European titleholders to be in consecutive places outside the domestic spots, to create two or three "jumps." This is the effect of two teams winning European titles and finishing eighth and ninth -- 10th gets the Conference League spot after the EPS is applied. Champions League: 1-5, UEL winners (9) Europa League: 6, 7, UCoL winners (8) Conference League: 10 Add in the UCL winners finishing in a consecutive place, and 11th gets the Conference League. Champions League: 1-5, UCL winners (8), UEL winners (10) Europa League: 6, 7, UCoL winners (9) Conference League: 11