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On that subject, probably the most unforgivable things Ashley and Llambo have done is force out 2 managers who were doing well and who we loved just to appoint their friends. There's not an argument in the world which could convince me Kinnear and Pardew were appointed based on talent or track record. Agree

Me too, will always maintain that he would have excelled at the club even beyond what he achieved. I will never forgive Ashley for sacking him and bring in the one we have now.

DOUBT THAT.

7 of the reserves as you call them played a part in our last league game. That says a lot about our squad... tbh, hasn´t seen 1 sec of this game so can´t really say something.

Our reserve players are just shit, I´m afraid. Not surprised that we lost.

Fixed

I've always assumed '4-3-3' was more of a blanket term on here for anything other than flat 4-4-2. yup

That's an easy reaction, but considering we paid Alan Smith and Joey Barton circa £60k I can see why he would want more, and he deserves it. People feel Ba is the best striker since Alan Shearer was here, and even he was on £50k a week from 1996. I'd prefer Ba kept his salary at £40k or a bit over but was offered a large bonus per goal. The more he scores the more he earns seems fair. That´s in the past. We can´t get players salaries after how much Smith earned. There is a different time now where clubs is starting to stop giving stupid moneys to players. In one way I can understand that Ba wants more. But you shouldn´t feed a ego big enough already with goal bonuses.

No matter what he does I will never really like him. Seems to have a bad and selfish character and Pardew is doing nothing about it.

Swansea

I don´t like Pardews view at football and that´s why I wan´t him to go no matter what. He has been here 2 years and we are still not playing any better than when he came, we just have different types of players. Ashley is a idiot when it comes to football and dosen´t care about the clubs results. That, and that it´s hard to get a good manager now, means that I´m willing to give him more time to save us from the relegation. But if we still are in real danger come a few more months from now, he just have to go. But as I said earlier, no matter what, I would sack him at the end of the season with the argument "thanks Pardew, but we feel that you have taken us so far you can..."

I just can´t for my life believe how so many managers at this high level seems to think that, especially in England. No wounder the national team constantly fails.

Every pre-match thread Admittedly not by the same posters, mind. can´t believe it either. Of course the season is dead and I´m scared it will only get worse...

Sometimes football is just to much.

No matter what teams we are playing we just can´t creating anything, just defending. Yes it was better, especially the players seemed up for it, but it was one game. I wouldn´t say that from now things will only get better.

Sick of this now. He can leave and take Pardew with him.

Some of the most shameless backpedalling from you of late after the way you've spent the last eighteen months up the man's arse. No backpeddling whatsoever. He's done a good job and I like him and don't want him sacked. Doesn't mean I can't criticise because he's done a dreadful job of late. Thing is, neither of us wanted him appointed and only one of us was truly prepared to get behind him as NUFC manager. Why would anyone get behind someone who clearly wasn't good enough? It is to NUFC supporters' eternal shame that we didn't give this plum the reception that Benitez got at Chelsea. We clapped along and beat Liverpool and enough mugs convinced themselves that he was up to it. That's ridiculous. You'd rather we barracked him off the pitch and ruin the already low chance of any decent manager wanting to work with us for all eternity? Not to mention negating the entirety of last season. We already had a decent manager and sacked him. Remember?

If they come to defend we stand a far better chance than we do if they come here and have a go. --- We improved tonight and while it wasn't great there are positives to be taken in to the Wigan game, just need to have a go. I agree and we could turn our season around against Wigan. We won´t turn around any season regardless of results. Maybe we can scrap some results and leave the worst danger, but turning around the season... nah.

Can´t get my head around this "Krul is shit he can´t kick". His not. But it´s Pardew that want´s him to do it.

Sadly so

I though you could see from the last pre-season matches that this shouldn´t be a good season, or most of all, that we hadn´t developed our play from the season before.

I think the players has given up. First we was playing the wrong formation, than it didn´t matter because we couldn´t hold on to the ball. Now though it doesn´t matter how we play because the players aren´t doing anything. They are just standing there, we are even losing 20/80 duels.

I got no problem with statistics in sports, in fact the opposite as I both have a degree in statistic and soon in sports science. The problem though is that football is too complex to only use numbers, you can´t just sit and read the data isolated. You also have to analyse the data with the reality, and that´s something Pardew seems to struggle with big time.

Average managers in the game, ex player bullshit. Nobs on Motd saying bruce was a top top manager and he would sort sunderland out. Old pals covering backs. In England it´s seems more important to have been an ex footballer than what you have done as a manager or coach. That´s the problem. Just because you have been a footballer doesn ´t make you a good coach. Jobs for old pals isn´t a problem just for English football managers though.