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Its a slight worry that we've been saying there is a favourable run for the last couple of months and haven't taken advantage of it. It does however have the feel of a cup final (and loss) season

Now I'm still on the Howe train for next season, but I do think its fair to ask if last season was the blip for him and what we are seeing now is more of the norm. It's not the results, injuries see to that, but its the manner of defeats and a seeming lack of something from some of the players on the pitch. I'm not saying they aren't trying, they all look knackered coming off but there is something not quite there from the eye test

He's going to back to Chelsea, and I reckon he'll have them back in the top 4 next season. He'd be a disaster for us though

they won’t though. they are the closest potential elite players in our squad at the moment, yes they can see the injuries etc but they also know that they could be in a team challenging for league titles in any league. Their agents will be looking for signs that next year will be 3 steps forward from this or they will be off. It’s not like they are local lads with 10 years of affinity from the academy to keep them here. build it slow and steady is great, but if we continue on that path it will be full of recycling players who are better than the level we are currently at

I’d like to see him RWF against one of the ‘weaker’ teams, see if he can absolutely bully a left back cutting in constantly. it wouldn’t be for every game, but a good mix it up option

The crowd could turn tonight if we start well and edge infront. hoping for an aggressive start and not one where we try to play our way into the game

5 including this one. spurs is the last game

works better without the ‘that’ tbh 8/10 for effort

it’s not just abuse to officials, the winning is all that matters mentality that some parents put on 5/6 year olds is crazy. You can see how much pressure some of the kids are under, to the point that they have a meltdown when they miss or the other team scores. It’s pressure to get them into ‘academies’ driving it. im no Pep and don’t claim to be a great kids coach but I make sure that each of the kids on the the team get equal time on the pitch, equal time playing ‘striker’ and ultimately try and get them all to score each week so they can go nuts with a celebration. we’re in a u6s set up and there is a u5s team joined for the last few weeks, there are some teams sticking 20 past them and I’m getting pelters from our teams parents when I slow my lot down after 5 or 6 to make sure the little ones get to pass the ball around and hopefully get a goal or 2 to keep them wanting to come back. basically attitudes stink right down to the very first level that kids get into, and it’s at the point I’m probably going to knock it on the head at the end of the season

Bebeto celebration coming up on monday

but the fmv and linked club rules came in mid season

Yes but it has a value that could easily be defined if you wanted to and then transfer fees become more rigid. You could even go registration value plus the remaining value of a contract etc. It would never happen anyway

Player values are interesting if you break it down. what you are paying for is a registration and not actually buying the player (that would be slavery!) A registration for a league should be valued the same regardless of the player - you could maybe argue different tiers for positions so should the additional value of the player based on ability etc be paid to the selling club or just factored into what you would pay them in wages / signing on fee?

isn’t the £3m on top of the £250m income? It’s a separate P&L line. so you also take out the £28m from player sales this year to get you £306m. if we get past city in the cup then there’s another £2m from the cup run against virtually nothing from the carabao run last year. so I get us £310m minimum before any player trading but I think that will be a little pessimistic

Yeah I know that, but it does mean that there is a chance (yes very remote today) that SA clubs could play in uefa competitions

that has teams from Israel competing in it

Not sure if ticket sales will impact our income. If PIF/Saudi FA were smart (on our behalf) they would have hired the stadium on the basis of a full house and then took the actual ticket money themselves. US tour would have been worth a little bit. Its that type of activity that creeps the income up

The £250m income in 2022/2023 does not include any player trading (we made a £3m profit on sales in the year). We are 100% looking to the commercial team squeezing every orange and lemon, but that's what they are there for and what they are good at doing

Little bit of TV, smaller sponsorships, corporate work, overseas tours etc. Basically lots of little increments in every area Putting my accountant hat on rather than my fan hat, an FA cup run to the final is worth £3m, we had nothing last year. Winning the League cup is worth less than £500k - just as an example

No you 're right on that, so the 2023/2024 income is more likely to be something like £250m plus lets add 20% general increases (£50m) plus Champions League (£37m) plus Sela (£25m) = £362m Adidas plus (assume) Conference league - Fun 88 should be more or less the same as the champions league money so 2024/2025 income should be more like £370-£380m

I agree 100%, and that's from an accountant! I hate the focus on FFP, amortisation and even all the detailed stats that get discussed around things. Its 90 mins of entertainment where I will enjoy a game or not, nothing more and nothing less. If we won the Conference League I couldn't give a toss on the money, as you say its a trophy and the cumulation of a season of hard work, ups and downs. I was just responding to the point on value made above my post

And that's why I stuck to using the current rules as a model. I don't think the first year or 2 will be that different, there will need to be a phased approach considering when in the season they have said things will change. I agree on sales, minimum of £50m but we will have a bit of muscle to flex in the summer, certainly enough to bring in a striker, right winger, centre back and keeper. The calibre in each position will depend on the Hall situation Minteh I think will be in the squad and of course Tonali comes in like a new signing.

Hence the need of a good team, you are 100% right we cannot afford too many missteps on the way. That's the real difference between the top 4/6 and the rest, they can swallow mistakes easily. I still maintain that you can get as good a team for £200m as you can for £400m with the right structures around the club. It's harder to do, but possible

I know the Adidas money kicks in next season, I've skipped the current season as the ask was what can we do in the summer. This starts at what we did in 2022/2023 (£60m loss for FFP) and then adjusted for what we know will change for 2024/2025 such as sponsorships and Europe. Basically I'm working on the assumption that we go pretty far in EL or CL next season and this plus the Adidas money equals our CL and Fun88 money from the current season so I can add it to the £60m loss

I'd say you can if you have the financial backing, enough scope to invest in the team and a strong recruitment model coupled with a good coach. You don't need to be breaking or even getting close to world record fees to have a team competing, you need a structure that identifies those not quite at that level but who will become 'world' class in a year or 2. You need to investment room to allow the players to grow into the team over a few years and not feel that you need to sell them. If the allowable losses were £180m rather than £105m I'd say we could both get a team that is right in the mix with the Sky 6 and can outpace at least 2 of them with the teams we have in place