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We don't help ourselves by floating each and every single corner in, would do us good to drill the odd one in with pace. I completely agree that the organisation is very poor, but the deliveries when well-intentioned are also usually poor and we don't have anyone bar Taylor who attacks the ball in the air. The personnel at hand just isn't conducive to scoring from them. That said, you would expect us to get at least 2 or 3 from corners by default.

To be fair there were 3 players on Carroll when we lost to City at home shortly before he left. He still scored and bossed them all game.

Evra's a quality header of the ball on the end of quality deliveries. None of that applies to our lot.

Of course it is. But is it unrealistic to have 2 or 3 players in the squad with proven track records of hitting double figures in a season? All of those chasing top 7 do. Who in that Everton squad hits double figures a season? currently only Fellaini on 11? Swansea? West Brom? That a completely invalid point. Its not even remotely true. Fellaini, Jelavic and Anichebe will all do it this season. In the league alone they've got 6 players on 5 goals or more. We've got 2. Jelavic/Anichibe on 6/7 goals each. Your sure they will each get 3/4 goals more before the end of the season?! Honestly man You've seen jelavic this season right? The reason we don't have any other goalscorers is that we play with one up front completely isolated, and hump long balls up to him. Never mentioned Swansea's scorers but West Brom have Lukaku, Long and Odemwingie. All 3 would stroll into our matchday 18. You mentioned "teams chasing the top 7" So they are in there. VERY debateable if they would stroll into our matchday eleven at all., Lukaku easily would. The other two are on the bench at worst. He probably would. But then equally Colo/Debuchy/Mbiwa/Santon/Cabaye/Cisse/HBA/Sissoko would stroll into theres. Its an irrelevance. The point is that we have players capable of scoring goals, but we do not utilise them. no goals from a corner all season?! how many does that account for? Crossed free kicks? We only have 1 player (Taylor) is remotely good or dominant in the air in fairness. Really? didn't evra score from a corner for Man Utd? It's our rank set pieces, not the personnel. This guy, man. Easily the most Ironic statement I've seen on here. Evra scored from a corner so it's nothing to do with our players, we get it.

Of course it is. But is it unrealistic to have 2 or 3 players in the squad with proven track records of hitting double figures in a season? All of those chasing top 7 do. Who in that Everton squad hits double figures a season? currently only Fellaini on 11? Swansea? West Brom? That a completely invalid point. Its not even remotely true. Fellaini, Jelavic and Anichebe will all do it this season. In the league alone they've got 6 players on 5 goals or more. We've got 2. Jelavic/Anichibe on 6/7 goals each. Your sure they will each get 3/4 goals more before the end of the season?! Honestly man You've seen jelavic this season right? The reason we don't have any other goalscorers is that we play with one up front completely isolated, and hump long balls up to him. Never mentioned Swansea's scorers but West Brom have Lukaku, Long and Odemwingie. All 3 would stroll into our matchday 18. You mentioned "teams chasing the top 7" So they are in there. VERY debateable if they would stroll into our matchday eleven at all., Lukaku easily would. The other two are on the bench at worst. He probably would. But then equally Colo/Debuchy/Mbiwa/Santon/Cabaye/Cisse/HBA/Sissoko would stroll into theres. Its an irrelevance. The point is that we have players capable of scoring goals, but we do not utilise them. no goals from a corner all season?! how many does that account for? Crossed free kicks? We only have 1 player (Taylor) is remotely good or dominant in the air in fairness. Really? didn't evra score from a corner for Man Utd? It's our rank set pieces, not the personnel. This guy, man.

Of course it is. But is it unrealistic to have 2 or 3 players in the squad with proven track records of hitting double figures in a season? All of those chasing top 7 do. Who in that Everton squad hits double figures a season? currently only Fellaini on 11? Swansea? West Brom? That a completely invalid point. Its not even remotely true. Fellaini, Jelavic and Anichebe will all do it this season. In the league alone they've got 6 players on 5 goals or more. We've got 2. Jelavic/Anichibe on 6/7 goals each. Your sure they will each get 3/4 goals more before the end of the season?! Honestly man You've seen jelavic this season right? The reason we don't have any other goalscorers is that we play with one up front completely isolated, and hump long balls up to him. Never mentioned Swansea's scorers but West Brom have Lukaku, Long and Odemwingie. All 3 would stroll into our matchday 18. You mentioned "teams chasing the top 7" So they are in there. VERY debateable if they would stroll into our matchday eleven at all., Lukaku easily would. The other two are on the bench at worst.

Both playing in the second division? Ugh.

Liverpool don't They do, mate.

Of course it is. But is it unrealistic to have 2 or 3 players in the squad with proven track records of hitting double figures in a season? All of those chasing top 7 do. Who in that Everton squad hits double figures a season? currently only Fellaini on 11? Swansea? West Brom? That a completely invalid point. Its not even remotely true. Fellaini, Jelavic and Anichebe will all do it this season. In the league alone they've got 6 players on 5 goals or more. We've got 2. Never mentioned Swansea's scorers but West Brom have Lukaku, Long and Odemwingie. All 3 would stroll into our matchday 18.

Serious, blud?

We've dropped points at home to Villa, did they have a better 1st 11 or squad than us? We dropped points home and away to Reading, do they? How about the mackems home and away? West Ham at home, Brighton away, Stoke away, Swansea at home, Southampton away, Fulham away? I could probably go on. Not happening, go away.

Of course it is. But is it unrealistic to have 2 or 3 players in the squad with proven track records of hitting double figures in a season? All of those chasing top 7 do.

Everton and Spurs have goals in their midfield and defence. Their top scorers come from midfield and both have more goals than Shola and Cisse together.

Indeed. Tyson was fined $3m and banned for over a year.

I'd have to say something to do that. But lets go through the squad if we must.... Krul - Dutch international Debuchy - FR int Mbiwa - FR int Santon - ITA int Colo - ARG int Cabaye - FR Int Anita - Dutch Int HBA - FR int Jonas - Arg int Sissoko -FR int Cisse - Senegal Int Now thats a snapshot of players. I'll concede the likes of Shola/Willo/Perch/simpson etc aren't top players but not every team has a raft of top players waiting to come on. Its been done to death but look at Swansea/Wba/Anyone up to Liverpool who'd managers would kill for a squad like ours. Take away Anita and Jonas and you're left with 9 good players including only one goalscorer. I don't like doing this in this particular thread because any second one of the usual suspects will turn up, assume it's a defence of Pardew and the thread goes to s*** again. I'm just a little fed up of all the pretense. When the next manager comes in and doesn't have them playing like something between Swansea and Barcelona it'll all be his fault, no doubt. 9 good players in an 11 man team?! Thats pretty good. Also the bold bit, why on earth do you have to polarise it that much? not one person has said that, not one. People just don't want the fucking eye gougingly bad shite we are served up now. If what was posted about the Team Meeting fall out is true, which is plausible, it all points one way It's not pretty good when it represents the whole squad.

I'd have to say something to do that. But lets go through the squad if we must.... Krul - Dutch international Debuchy - FR int Mbiwa - FR int Santon - ITA int Colo - ARG int Cabaye - FR Int Anita - Dutch Int HBA - FR int Jonas - Arg int Sissoko -FR int Cisse - Senegal Int Now thats a snapshot of players. I'll concede the likes of Shola/Willo/Perch/simpson etc aren't top players but not every team has a raft of top players waiting to come on. Its been done to death but look at Swansea/Wba/Anyone up to Liverpool who'd managers would kill for a squad like ours. Take away Anita and Jonas from there and you're left with 9 good (2 or 3 very good) players including only one goalscorer. I don't like doing this in this particular thread because any second one of the usual suspects will turn up, assume it's a defence of Pardew and the thread goes to shit again. I'm just a little fed up of all the pretense. When the next manager comes in and doesn't have them playing like something between Swansea and Barcelona it'll all be his fault, no doubt.

The playing staff as a whole is unbalanced, completely lacking in depth and generally underperforming. The last issue can be attributed largely to Pardew, obviously.

Not moreso than Pardew, but yes, heavily.

Don't say anything. Just look at our bench and parts of the starting Xl and concede that your judgement's off a bit.

Load of nonsense. There's a fair few of us not defending Pardew in any way who also think the players are heavily to blame.

Lot of truth there, mind. The players consistently get built up to be something they're not on here partially due to force of habit and also to needlessly strengthen the already overwhelming case against Pardew.

F*cking hell can't say i'm surprised though. ......

Does it really matter? Chelsea dropped points, it's all good.

Great day for Spurs.

Wouldn't want a repeat of Suarez v Colo anyway. The West Ham/QPR game will be fine.