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So with these rumour to be believed with Trippier and now Wilson we are wanting to do a mini rebuild in less than 2 weeks of the window in the worse of the 2 windows to do it in. Either the whole lot is bull shit or we have deals lined up and just cash needed to do them.

Contract ended at end of the season so assume we are just happy to free up the wage. At most you would assume nominal fee.

It's not the sell to buy logic I find frustrating as ffp is here and we know these owners put it all back in no ashley style sell for x and buy someone for 10% of it. However the annoying this is you say goodbye to bruno or botman who have and do make a difference when you still have others you would rather escort out the door first. For me that includes longstaff and Co. However I know they aren't worth much or no one wants them for a fee just a loan which ultimately doesn't help the ffp issue.

to be fair to him based on the break up of his marriage, having a "love child" etc etc I was very surprised to see him in the line up.

he seems to be spending alot of time coming inside and leaving the left wing unoccupied, I know he is a CB by trade but dont remember him doing this last season where is the drifting coming from? caliber of opposition? instruction? He also has come back slower than before the injury another great leader around the dressing room but shouldnt be displacing many in the starting line up if any at all once everyone is fit.

It's a different role to Miley and we have had options in our lb area so been more competition for places but fuck me the lad getting next to no game time either we are very principled in our approach or we have wasted a fair chunk of the summer money.

Think he said at least 6 weeks in the presser so already lowering expectations on return date which hopefully means they starting to learn their lesson on line between gamesmanship and unrealistic expectation setting.

Same thing I assume with Murphy one (player electing to come back early in the hope his shoulder doesnt pop out), with this player asked if he can continue and player says of course then they realise its a mistake asking to come off. In a live game got to listen to the player the most but yes that extra 10 mins may have been the difference from 2 weeks and 6.

It was a weird break in a weird place but took the gamble on it healing with no surgery and he has clearly had set backs due to muted dates been and gone and the quote from a journo to say he was back on grass. Not sure how much toe surgery would have kept him out but he's been missing since Sept? So not sure its just been a massive fuck up medically speaking. Edit: Just checked and it was early Nov they said he was back training on grass clearly hasn't gone to plan.

We going to have to wheel and deal as 9 players currently out of contract so if they don't sign extensions we get more wage wiggle room but 28m gone on hall. Potentionally 3 ready for the first team desperately if we spend 40m a player that's 150m spent not sure if we will have that much. Budget may also depend who we can sell in terms of fees they bring in and if we are in Europe next season.

Ffp restrictions Hope and praying injured players due back Most loan stuff happens towards the end of the window Lack of money sales/ movement making players surplus elsewhere Can see the reason why the delay or lack of movement just been spoilt the last few years so doing not alot feels like going backwards.

Not sure what part you disagree with infact you yourself are saying he needs upgrading so isn't an automatic starter for that we agree. His goal and assist record wouldn't get him into top 6 sides. Yes he brings an element of dogged determination when things are going well you love and applaud. In games when we carve out one or two clear cut chances and it falls to miggy or longstaff your heart sinks as most of the time its not going in and in tight games it costs you. Do I want him sold? No not unless it makes ffp sense. Do I think he tries his hardest? Yes he certainly doesn't go missing. Do I think he's played too much football? Yes but we all know why. Doesn't mean I allow myself too get overly carried away based on a much improved performance yesterday. Think my original point was more fact I want a certain standard if he is in the side and some of the stuff yesterday is what I expect him to do. Next season he is a bench player for me.

I agree to an extent and hope for a half season purple patch to follow but playing devil's advocate was it the calibre of opposition that made it look so easy normally you put your foot in to try and reclaim the ball and the opposition either doesn't keep it at their feet long enough and you draw a foul or the opposition players "acts" in such a way to get the foul. Miggy is vastly experienced international I want a certain standard every game so while credit where credit is due I expect some of it from him as standard now if the side have ambitions of progressing with him. One of the biggest plus is after the bollocking he got for taking the shot himself leaving Isak wide open and pissed he squared it for Isak instead. Hope that's the coaching team telling him we love your energy but it's a team game if you can give it to someone else to have a better chance at goal do it.

Unfortunately Miggy gets alot of praise due to how bad he has been recently and it was a much improved performance. With Isak he is just class and you do sometimes take that for granted when looking at a match in isolation.

I am sure we weren't playing full pelt and don't think we could having played a few days before and the controlled measured response was working. However if our bad luck have of continued Botman could have scored that own goal and Pritchards volley could have bounced down and in. The earlier misses by Longstaff could have then been costly. With every match you need a little luck as well as everything else. Saying that once the second went in I had little doubt.

Think it's worth owning it rather than debating it Isak, and Bruno are probably worth more than the cost to buy Sunderland the football club. It's not our fault fees are crazy and we now have the means and ambition to shop in that bracket and as I said before it's certainly possible to beat us with an "inferior squad" so not sure they can have much complaints from the small bits I heard from Beale certainly didn't.

Haha no just the value quoted in transfermarkt rather than what they spent to assemble the squad as I don't know just heard from supporter at work it might have been 7.5/15m

Despite the narrative of one of our players being worth the same as their entire squad (transfer market has their squad value under 90m and ours around 600m). Despite that they COULD of competed for every first and second ball, tried to hurt us with pace, tried to go after BDB on the wing, try to limit our time on the ball etc etc none of that needs 40/50/60m players to do so as demonstrated this season for us many times away from home. It simply didn't happen now part of me is pleased they didn't try and just kick us off the park but it seemed so easy to nick the ball off them without them trying to draw a foul. Nievity? Arrogance? Pride? Just not in them? No clue to be honest I know nothing about their side. Not going to say I was full of confidence going into it and said that to the 2 or 3 at work who are proud enough to admit they are sunderland supporters. As Howe was trying to say post game it was more for the supporters (didn't agree with BDB saying fans would rather beat Sunderland than going through champions league). It's a big fixture on a season full of big fixtures. It may well benefit as a spring board but shouldn't define us as a side. If we get hammered in the next 2 fixtures it won't be in my mind at least we beat Sunderland.

Hope it's a knock he can shake off. Stop start season for him with these niggly injuries but when your not playing with a DM having a big physical battering ram who still has a lovely touch is much needed. Longstaff just falls down and Miley still feels very light weight at times so not surprised we struggled for that period as he came off and we adjusted.

Nice to see him smiling while playing appreciate its not a laughing matter when we getting beat but did seem like he was playing with less weight on his shoulders. I hope they all do from a "stop the rot"/ back to winning ways prospective. As Howe said last season winning breeds confidence. Still prefer him as our captain and he was a level head today.

With Phillips if the press are to be believed 5/7m loan and 40m obligation to buy is just a non starter for me. 28 barely played in 2 years no garentee right now we have Europe next season so may not have as heavy a fixture next season. Easier said than done but saving it for two raw 20m sort if raw/rough diamond types would be just as risky but potentially more lucrative. The desire to bring the age of the squad down and while we shouldn't care at the money budgets need to be managed thanks to FFP. Appreciate the want for it now to plug an obvious weakness. Maybe the club hope 1. The player pushes for it or 2. Lack of alternative exit for him gets us a more favourable deal late in the window.

Not read every page sorry but the camera going to Pickford was a small highlight after how he went on in the Everton fixture. Did anyone get a screen grab?

When his passing is off and he can't hit the ball cleanly when in front of goal I do honestly just think passenger, love local lads to inspire our academy that there is a chance you aren't here just to be farmed for ffp he is definitely a position to be improved upon.

Quite sad as I appreciate the goals but liked him coming over to "defend" Gordan shows a bit of metal and fight which while I don't want to see at all times is nice to show its in there.

Whats our results without Bruno playing? while 100m could be spun into 300m+ worth of spending it would leave a gaping hole in how we play. The only good news is while he may well be a casualty of the next step in the squad at least we know its all getting reinvested.