Mattoon

One is completely undeserved and contrary to current form.

still think the likes of townsend, mitrovic etc will piss it down there I'm not sure Townsend will stay tbh. Assuming he has no relegation clause, I can't see many people willing to stump, say 10m, to get him off us. Not many will want him, even fewer will be willing to pay for him and there's no certainty that he would be desperate to leave. A few weeks ago he was playing with the young uns remember. I think he'd stay, just based on his well publicised good attitude. He's no premier league top 6 player but he'd be a cut above anyone currently plying their trade in the Championship. If we can keep them we can make a good backbone out of Mbemba, Dummett, Shelvey, Townsend, Aarons, Perez and Mitrovic. It's a big ask to get them all to stay but they would all be very good in that league.

How is Madeley even allowed to referee another of our matches after the last game?? It was found that his mistakes changed the game and the red card was recinded. The only hope is that rather than being vindictive in his last match he feels he owes us one for his mistake. I'm going for the former rather than the latter though.

That's true. If we'd stayed up with Rafa that was the only chance we would have tried to win anything under Ashley, but no doubt he'll revert to type once Rafa buggers off once we get relegated. This is the fear for me, if we don't stay up () and if we don't keep Rafa if we do go down ( :lol:) then I can imagine Ashley feeling burned by the situation and taking the relegation as "evidence" a quality manager changes nothing.

Palace are losing by narrow margins and the squad has some quality. They'll get their Bosingwa moment, i'm certain. Winning the FA Cup and beating us up here so Pardew confirms our relegation will be those moments. If that happens then I'm done with football, imagine all the glorified media wanking about how that could have been us if we didn't hound the king out, smh.

Also according to today's media he's decided to choose his starting line-ups based on age, the older, the better (Nothing like Johnson). Can't see a manager of his calibre making tactical decisions based on such basic data?!

Our only hope of moving him on is if we fail to bounce and start gurgling around the Championship drain, but I think that would lead to an even unhappier marriage as no one will want to buy.

Because barring advertising his tatty little brand he has no care for us. What he clearly didn't factor in is that we have to have a modicum of success to continue advertising said shitty brand. He just thought he'd done the bare minimum but it was always going to collapse on him.

We can only hope that 3 goals in 2 game has sparked a bit of confidence in the lad, we've seen him with his tail up and on his day he can be a handful. I just hope it's not too late for him to be taking his chances now.

He's made himself look an absolute fool after his comments at the end of last season, the press will have a field day when it happens, his words "the blame stops at my door". the press will say he spent 80m and got Rafa in what more do the deluded geordies want. Tbf lazy journalism will probably point to the players, partially correctly, for under performing, but miss the glaringly obvious cause of performance and indeed buying such lightweights in the first place.

So many games look winable but we don't show up for 60 minutes, it's not beyond the realms of possibility to get something here but our bunch of cowards don't perform until we go a goal down and the pressure is eased as we're expected to lose from there.

He's made himself look an absolute fool after his comments at the end of last season, the press will have a field day when it happens, his words "the blame stops at my door".

Yeah, it's fairly appalling. Was a nice 8 or 9 days though. It's a sucker punch to several years of supporting absolute dross, a sliver of light at the end of the tunnel that was, in fact, a big fucking relegation train.

They are terrible but they can't lose points and we can't gain them so it seems like there's no way back now.

Fyp

But this is partly Pardew and Carvers fault, McClaren was a continuation of the dross that preceeded him, a further slide into the abyss. They were just as much at fault for creating an ingrained mentality of failure and mediocrity. It all of course stems from the very top and filters down, but when you have facilitators at every position of power at the club it works it's way into the foundations, we're rotten go the core and until and unless that fat shit at the top goes we will coninue this merry-go-round of hopeless anguish.

After the soul destroying weekend I really couldn't give a toss now, the players clearly don't, might as well come to terms with the Championship now. Fuck this shit.

Rafa sucked me back in, I was happy in my little detached world until he turned up, I was at work so keeping an eye on the score on the BBC website, I was pretty cut up when the third went in but now I'm coming back down to earth. I still want us to stay in the league for Rafa but I just can't see it now, today was such a huge game and we blew it, big style.

I am facing reality now, if we'd got a point I'd have still fancied it, but to lose a six pointer at this stage and hand a relegation rival such a confidence booster is game over basically. We are down and ironically probably because of those back to back wins against Liverpool and Spurs before Christmas. That allowed Ashley and Charnley to sit on their hands and hope for the best instead of making a hard headed decision that was required. The writing was on the wall a long time ago with McClaren, the Rafa appointment was far too late. We probably should have got rid of him in November to be fair, it couldn't have been Rafa then but even with someone different we could have been in a much better position now. It was always going to take a miracle to turn this around, a team drained of confidence and fucks to give, too little, too late. It's just heart wrenching that we made the move for a quality manager at a time when he can't do much about the slide and we are left thinking about what could have and should have been.

Keep Wijnaldum :lol: I can't make my mind up about Wijnaldum, he has been a revelation, he's also been a huge amount of toilet. Is this the real Wijnaldum? Is he just short of confidence or has he just given up and stopped giving a shit? Without knowing that it's hard to know what to do with him. But as an international I don't think he'd want to stay anyway.

I'd love to think Rafa would stay with us in the championship but a manager of his caliber could go where he wants. I'd like to think he'd be excited to be given carte blanche to build the club from the foundations up in any way he wished but Fatty Fucknuckle wouldn't relinquish that kind of power to anyone. Any decent owner worth his salt would do what they could for that to happen, knowing full well that in 2-3 years time you'd could have a great club once again. The sooner Ashley gets to fuck, the better.

So short sighted of them to realise the most important part of the team is a strong leader (manager) when there's 10 games left and impossible hill to climb would be comical if it wasn't our club.

If we do manage to keep hold of him I think the championship will be the making of him.

It's such a shit move, we'd all resigned to relegation, shrugged and detached ourselves emotionally only for Rafa to turn up bringing hope and belief again then our players shit on us from a great height. It's just cruel man.

A firm 9 after today, there's an outside slim chance we could get out of this but it would take a massive change in approach by our "players" and I can't see that happening. It's not a 10 until it's mathematically impossible but it's as close as you can get now after that, we needed 4 points against the 2 teams directly above us, we got 1...