Mattoon

Managers can always learn, but there's not much you can do about basic decision making stupidity. Mind boggling subs, inability to adapt to other manager's changes, picking a subs bench without including enough options, picking too many defensive midfielders then not having any clarity on their roles.... how many of those things can he put right before changing his mind and going back to square one after a negative result? To be fair to Pardew, I'd imagine it's pretty difficult to learn anything when you're busy licking windows.

Sorry goat, looks like Pardew might be staying!

Spot on HTT

It's whether he's allowed to. Does he have free reign to alter coaching teams/recruit, hire/fire considering the financial implications? Good point, guess the question then is, as a team, will they learn and improve? From a Mike/Dekka perspective, I would say that on the whole, they are making micro-improvements, and learning.... I live and hope that as a group, them come together, and learn/grow. I would normally agree, people in general can grow and adapt to situations, learn from mistakes and change certain things about themselves. However, having read message boards from Charlton, Southampton and West Ham it's clear that history is repeating itself with frightening accuracy, from the tactics down to the playing players out of position and strange substitutes. If he hasn't changed in 8 years, why would he after one season?

A faint glimmer of hope

Pardew is s****, he works on defence for 4 days and attack for 1. Why does it have to be one or the other? We never seem to look as if we work on playing as a team and that would make sense with what we've been told. Hopefully he's picked his last team for us, I refuse to give up hope. With a bit of luck he'll go into his meeting with Ashley and Llambias, blames everybody but himself and gets the bullet. Exactly, there's no transition from defence into attack, like Wullie said, it's one or the other. But he drills the positional ridgidity into them and its hard to turn that into attack when we've got that lack of movement off the ball that we've all seen. We get the ball, we're pressed, there's no outlet so it's a long punt forward.

"No more goals" is fairly damning. I think I saw him shouting that in the Man U game after we'd gone ahead for the third time. Was that not understandable? Unless you're referring to another occasion? I thought it was Arsenal but either way it's a daft thing to say and didn't work. Going 2 goals clear is a good way to win a game. You're right it was the Arsenal game, we had our tails up and we had just levelled the score at 3-3 iirc

We had belief, confidence and a never say die attitude. None of this giving up in the second half, we fought tooth and nail until the final whistle. Wasn't always pretty and we had a few cloggers but I preferred it to the dross we serve up these days. Plus Hughton was a genuine, decent bloke.

We should all be thankful of Pardew for doing so shit in the cups and keeping us out of the top half of the table, we could have had to be dealing with that pesky Europe thing again, getting in the way of us winning matches and finishing at the top half of the table so we can get.......in.......... Never mind!

A change in coach(s) won't make one s**** of difference, just another diversionary tactic to avert the heat firmly on Pardew's arse right now. If there was such concern about training techniques that could have been rectified midseason without much disturbance to the team. It's only since these possibilities have been brought to light that he's added it to his ever expanding list of bullshit excuses. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure I heard Pardew has mentioned replacing coach(s) ahead of next season? Completely agree btw, someone needs to be crucified if we haven't at least enquirer about the possibility of him managing us and what his demands would be if we were to take an interest. Massive, massive improvement on what we have, exponentially! Ashley has shown he's a man of opportunity so don't get why he wouldn't.

Nah i would be too but it doesn't make a lot of financial sense IMO. I personally wouldn't pay 20m for Benteke either, i'm loathe to wanting to spend big money on strikers based on one season. Carroll being case and point, good player but never worth the £35m price tag that weighed him down so much. 1 season doesn't make a legend.

Hope he gets arrested coming back to England and sentenced to 5 years community service as Newcastle United manager.

someone asked for some twitter guff so I posted the first thing I found, utter dross like!

Buying Pardew new players is like throwing glitter in a turd, it looks a bit better but ultimately it's still shit! Anyone had the misfortune to read The Mag recently? So much pro Pardew guff, it's sickening, the author is either deluded or on drugs!?!

There's nothing to argue about here, we're shit, Pardews shit, why delay the inevitable and give him any more games? That's just throwing away another season, we'll be bottom 5 come Xmas and desperate for a new manger to come in and turn things around fast.

Tbf you can add it to a long list of shit records you don't want to break but we have this year.

It's all about that second phase.

That man deserves to be knighted Alright, not exactly eloquent, but he gets the point across and he's pretty much bang on the money. Funny as fuck too btw!

So instead of playing to our strengths he wants to spunk millions on buying cloggers to play his prehistoric, no brain hoofball. Surely Ashley can't be happy with that?

Will be madly refreshing newsnow for at least 24hrs in blind hope

that's ALL I've been imagining!

I was stuck in work all day, was there any vitriol aimed towards Pardew at any point in or after the match?

Should have subbed Tiote and Jonas off for Campbell, we'd have had a better chance at this!

You can tell no one gives a shit about this, shortest match thread ever?