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It's what Bent called him on Twitter.

That's a thousand times worse. How? There are no reserve leagues in Italy meaning players have to leave or they rot. But rather than being loaned out (and kept by the larger clubs completely) they have to be sold, basically the smaller team gets the player for as long as 2/3 years until a bidding process can start between the two clubs to decide who takes 100% control of the contract - of course this once again favours the bigger teams financially, but more often than not it gives the smaller teams more of a fighting chance. Overall it means players are distributed more fairly, of course it's not a perfect system but it's betteHr. It works nothing like that though. It favours the bigger teams with cash to spend, imagine Citeh having that luxury, they'd part own 200 players, WTF is the point in that for everyone else? It's fine the way it is, its not broken and it doesn't need fixing. The part owning isn't long term though, it's basically a loan that gives the smaller teams the option to buy without being held to ransom. The squad limitations and lack of reserve league prevent teams from just stacking up players, it's not as if they own bits of players everywhere like you're suggesting. It's much better than a team buying up loads of players and then just lending them out to everyone, letting the smaller team build them up, then just taking them back leaving the smaller team looking for a replacement. The smaller team has the option of competing in an auction, often a blind auction (even more chance of keeping the player) giving them some kind of competitiveness. It's not a perfect system by any means, often complex, but it's a damn site fairer than total monopolisation which is what will happen with the current loan system in place. Blaming the loan system for the 'total monopolisation' in our league is like blaming Boeing for 9/11. Already mentioned that it's merely part of the problem, but it does contribute.

If you're into seizures, yeah. Jesus Christ, my fucking eyes.

Cattermole is much, much better than Smith. Not even a comparison. Cattermole actually has a decent engine on him and his passing range has improved, plus he has 10 times the defensive capabilities Smith has.

Ben Arfa back on Marseille's website, guess the deal fell through

Lots on their forum reckon none of our players would get in their side. Only the 3 amigos and Carroll would be in contention. Still more than none. Who is their other central midfielder apart from Cattermole? Guthrie would certainly complement him better than Cana did.

Lots on their forum reckon none of our players would get in their side.

Hodgson and McClaren have both done more than Redknapp, and neither have left a trail of financial disaster in their path.

That's a thousand times worse. How? There are no reserve leagues in Italy meaning players have to leave or they rot. But rather than being loaned out (and kept by the larger clubs completely) they have to be sold, basically the smaller team gets the player for as long as 2/3 years until a bidding process can start between the two clubs to decide who takes 100% control of the contract - of course this once again favours the bigger teams financially, but more often than not it gives the smaller teams more of a fighting chance. Overall it means players are distributed more fairly, of course it's not a perfect system but it's better. It works nothing like that though. It favours the bigger teams with cash to spend, imagine Citeh having that luxury, they'd part own 200 players, WTF is the point in that for everyone else? It's fine the way it is, its not broken and it doesn't need fixing. The part owning isn't long term though, it's basically a loan that gives the smaller teams the option to buy without being held to ransom. The squad limitations and lack of reserve league prevent teams from just stacking up players, it's not as if they own bits of players everywhere like you're suggesting. It's much better than a team buying up loads of players and then just lending them out to everyone, letting the smaller team build them up, then just taking them back leaving the smaller team looking for a replacement. The smaller team has the option of competing in an auction, often a blind auction (even more chance of keeping the player) giving them some kind of competitiveness. It's not a perfect system by any means, often complex, but it's a damn site fairer than total monopolisation which is what will happen with the current loan system in place.

Stoke seem to have a bit of wedge actually, where is it coming from?

That's a thousand times worse. How? There are no reserve leagues in Italy meaning players have to leave or they rot. But rather than being loaned out (and kept by the larger clubs completely) they have to be sold, basically the smaller team gets the player for as long as 2/3 years until a bidding process can start between the two clubs to decide who takes 100% control of the contract - of course this once again favours the bigger teams financially, but more often than not it gives the smaller teams more of a fighting chance. Overall it means players are distributed more fairly, of course it's not a perfect system but it's better.

Without Darren Bent they're no better than us imo. Well maybe slightly, but the way they go on you'd think they were a CL side. They've got a lot of dross in their team.

Bournemouth, Portsmouth and Southampton fans could all give similar stories.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8849972.stm France

Best needs to fucking flogged, not given gametime in the Premier League.

Bruce is definitely spending MUCH wiser than Keane did.

If I was rich I'd probably tour the World and take in a football match at every place I visited.

Aye, sorry I totally misread your post, there is no limit on players being loaned out. I think limiting the loaning OUT of players wouldn't solve the route problem, because clubs would still monopolise young talent - only to stagnate their development even more by having them in their youth/reserves until they fail to reach their potential and are dumped onto smaller clubs, only to keep the ones that do make it. Basically they should be either stopped from buying up too many players in the first place, or if there is no feesible room in the squad for them they should be enforced to move the player on at the going rate. Making sure there is a natural spread of talent would improve competiveness and help to limit the influence that money has on a team's success.

Pretty sure there's limitations like that already in place? I might be wrong though. I think the point Otter is more implying is the way the richer clubs can just stock up on players and then lend them to the lower teams who can't afford to buy or keep their own talents. This way they can essentially keep any potentially growing clubs at arms length. Basically creating a big boys club that nobody else can break into - obviously there's other factors that cause this (CL money) but this is a large part of it.

€5m is what, £3-4 million? Steal imo.

Agreed. Monopolising players the way big clubs do is sickening, and it is never good for the young players. When clubs are allowed to do this and then lend them to smaller clubs it just increases the gap between the top and bottom. The co-owning system in Italy and other European countries is slightly better, but also favours the wealthier clubs.

Wtf, that's terrible. The title is misleading to say the least.

Minor detail.

Dharmesh Sheth said on SSN earlier that he'd been informed by Ben Arfa's agent (might have been through sources in France but he definitely mentioned his agent) he'd been offered to us, Everton and Liverpool along with an unnamed German club. I know Hughton kind of shrugged it off yesterday but he did also mention a few weeks ago about certain players 'becoming available'. Gosling was obviously one of those players he was referring to, doesn't stop Ben Arfa being another one of them though. We can only hope... It might be nothing but him not being on their official website anymore may suggest something. You never know I guess. http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.omplanete.com%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fid%3D19949 A link to the French discussing it. 13 pages in 5 hours... Reading that hurt my head. Aye. I don't really know if I got anything concrete out of it. All the sentences are backwards.

Dharmesh Sheth said on SSN earlier that he'd been informed by Ben Arfa's agent (might have been through sources in France but he definitely mentioned his agent) he'd been offered to us, Everton and Liverpool along with an unnamed German club. I know Hughton kind of shrugged it off yesterday but he did also mention a few weeks ago about certain players 'becoming available'. Gosling was obviously one of those players he was referring to, doesn't stop Ben Arfa being another one of them though. We can only hope... It might be nothing but him not being on their official website anymore may suggest something. You never know I guess. http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.omplanete.com%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fid%3D19949 A link to the French discussing it. 13 pages in 5 hours...