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Just thinking about all these daft comments he's coming out with now. At the start of the season "judge me after 8 games", then 8 games later "those first 8 games were just like a pre season, judge me from Sunday". Just ridiculous really and at any other PL club the media would have been all over it.

Can't believe he was only 69. It's 30 years since he won the League title with Everton which means he was only 39. Always thought he looked like a bloke in his 50's back then. RIP.

It isn't being destroyed. It's been destroyed.

Agree with all that except the last sentence. This group of players haven't got the guts to go toe to toe with them in a derby environment regardless of the Norwich result. They've bottled it time and time again and I don't expect any chance next week. As has been said, puts massive pressure on tomorrow.

Just had an email off NUFC asking if I've got my ticket for Sunday yet. Not only that but they've also enclosed a seating plan outlining where all the cheapest tickets are available in the ground. Never known them do that before.

Great news. It was a brilliant occasion this year. That'll probably be the next time I set foot inside SJP.

Just seems a daft thing to come out with. We're 8 games in and we've amassed 3 points from a possible 24. What happens if we lose on Sunday? Does he say the season starts the week after when we'll be a quarter of the way through it?

He's starting to irritate me now like. You can't write off the first 8 games of the season (24 possible points) then say that it was more of an extended pre season. If he did bother to look at the league table he would realise we've already been cut adrift from 17th place. Not doubting we've had a tough start but games against Southampton, Swansea, West Ham and Watford should be classed as winnable, or we should at least be looking to get something from them, but 1 point from the 12 available against them is a pathetic return.

Nah f*ck him. He whinged on about not being given more of a chance of first team football here and said young, English Keepers like him don't get a fair crack of the whip in the PL. He genuinely thought he was good enough.

I still can't believe there is so many people still turning up. Out of the 8 other season ticket holders I used to go with only 2 of them still have them and out of the 14 people in my dept at work a couple of years ago 6 of us had season tickets, now there's only one. Most other fans I know who have had season tickets in the past or have gone regularly don't bother now so it's surprising 47k+ are still going every week.

Looking at the seating plan there's less than 40k sold for this so far. They've even opened up the family enclosure for online sale which I've never known them do for a league game to try and tempt people with a £20 dad/bairn package. The East Stand which is always full has loads of empty seats. It's taken longer than it should have but maybe people are finally turning their backs on the club. 1-2 The worm has seemingly turned. Aren't we regularly dipping below 50k crowds this season? It does seem people are finally getting fed up with it all. Aye we've only passed the 50k Mark once this season (50,388), against Arsenal who brought 3,200 fans with them. The Chelsea crowd was only 48,500 and they had 3,200 there as well, Watford 47,500 with 2,500 away fans so we're down to around 45k home fans now which will drop further as this complete abortion of a season unfolds.

Looking at the seating plan there's less than 40k sold for this so far. They've even opened up the family enclosure for online sale which I've never known them do for a league game to try and tempt people with a £20 dad/bairn package. The East Stand which is always full has loads of empty seats. It's taken longer than it should have but maybe people are finally turning their backs on the club. 1-2 The worm has seemingly turned. Hopefully. Packed my ST in at the end of last season and this will be the first season in over 30 years that we're 5 home games in (+ 2 cup ties) without me setting foot inside SJP. And not a single regret. There's not one single part of that club deserving of my support.

Looking at the seating plan there's less than 40k sold for this so far. They've even opened up the family enclosure for online sale which I've never known them do for a league game to try and tempt people with a £20 dad/bairn package. The East Stand which is always full has loads of empty seats. It's taken longer than it should have but maybe people are finally turning their backs on the club. 1-2

Looks like it's Allardyce.

And that's why Vieira was never a serious candidate. As long as Ashley is here, with the structure he wants in place below him we'll only ever have a patsy as manager. Whether that's Kinnear/Pardew/Carver/McClaren or the next joker it makes little difference. We'll always struggle to compete in the top league until he sells up.

Not sure it requires a chart to come to the conclusion that our goalkeeper faces lots of shots and concedes lots of goals tbf.

It's in "the Crystal Palace manager" topic.

Would have bought some magic beans no doubt.

Going to have a punt on "next permanent sunderland manager" I think. 16s seems very generous to me.

Ain't nobody lower than us. I thought he meant sides in lower leagues. Like Sheff Wed for example.

This. It won't be pretty but they won't go down if they appoint him.

Thought he was totally anonymous once more and the game just seemed to pass him by and of the 3 newspapers I have read today his merit marks were 3/10, 3/10, 4/10 so the reporters seemed to be in agreement with that.

What makes you think the next manager will be any better given the last 3 managers Ashley appointed before McClaren (Kinnear, Pardew, Carver)? For me the appointment of a good manager in the summer was crucial given how we ended last season and the huge TV money for next season but we got another cheap, English option. This is how it is until Ashley's gone. People need to wake up to that fact. Nothing is going to change on or off the pitch until he's gone. The last 8 years tells us that.

Given that we can't sack all of the players our only hope is to get someone in to motivate this rabble to roll their sleeves up when it gets a bit tough. McClaren is bereft of any motivational skills, he has no presence and no charisma. He didn't want to come in the first place which suggests to me he didn't believe he had what it would take to make it work. He'd been in contact with Carr for a good while beforehand and no doubt been told what the players were like to work with. He eventually came because we were stupid enough to appoint him once he been sacked for failing to instil belief in a wobbling Derby team. He has to go, we are 5 points from safety already, give it another 5 or 6 games and it will be too late. That seems to be the Mackem model to keep on changing manager instead of looking at the bigger picture and they're no better off than us. McClaren probably isn't the answer as most of us predicted but the problems at the club lie far deeper. He goes and we get another loser in and we're no better off. Until we rid ourselves of Ashley and his merry men this will always be where we're at. A losers mentality running right through the club and 2nd rate foreign plodders with hearts the size of peas recruited by a dinosaur of a chief scout. Ashley could have went for a top manager in the summer but they don't come cheap and wouldn't want Carr buying their players for them either so yet again we went for the cheap yes man, just like his last 3 appointments before him. No reason to think McClarens replacement would be any better than Kinnear/Pardew/Carver.

Allardyce or Pearson I reckon.