Gallowgate Toon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Reading in the Times today that the Cabella complained about McClaren's training methods (passing emphasised) and got shown the door two weeks later. Then last week before the Liverpool game some more players wanted a more direct approach and apparently that's what got us the result against Liverpool. I don't know how much of this is true but if it is it's just confirmation that McClaren is not a leader and it's yet another shambolic appointment. I don't think listening to players' feedback and changing is a particularly bad sign of leadership, like. Not saying he's a good leader but that's hardly bad, imo. If he carried on playing in a way that players were admitting to feeling uncomfortable in that would be far worse. But it does suggest that he doesn't really know how to operate in the premier league today. How so? There's not one uniform style to playing football in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Reading in the Times today that the Cabella complained about McClaren's training methods (passing emphasised) and got shown the door two weeks later. Then last week before the Liverpool game some more players wanted a more direct approach and apparently that's what got us the result against Liverpool. I don't know how much of this is true but if it is it's just confirmation that McClaren is not a leader and it's yet another shambolic appointment. I don't think listening to players' feedback and changing is a particularly bad sign of leadership, like. Not saying he's a good leader but that's hardly bad, imo. If he carried on playing in a way that players were admitting to feeling uncomfortable in that would be far worse. But it does suggest that he doesn't really know how to operate in the premier league today. How so? There's not one uniform style to playing football in the league. It's not about style though, a manager's job is to assess his squad and get them playing the most effective football to suit their abilities. That McClaren needs his players to do that for him doesn't say much for his own managerial quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Reading in the Times today that the Cabella complained about McClaren's training methods (passing emphasised) and got shown the door two weeks later. Then last week before the Liverpool game some more players wanted a more direct approach and apparently that's what got us the result against Liverpool. I don't know how much of this is true but if it is it's just confirmation that McClaren is not a leader and it's yet another shambolic appointment. I don't think listening to players' feedback and changing is a particularly bad sign of leadership, like. Not saying he's a good leader but that's hardly bad, imo. If he carried on playing in a way that players were admitting to feeling uncomfortable in that would be far worse. But it does suggest that he doesn't really know how to operate in the premier league today. How so? There's not one uniform style to playing football in the league. It's not about style though, a manager's job is to assess his squad and get them playing the most effective football to suit their abilities. That McClaren needs his players to do that for him doesn't say much for his own managerial quality. But surely by listening to the players he's doing just that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I have to agree a Manager should be able to put his best players in the right place, it works through all management placements in any work force. However I also agree that a good manager does not live by "my way or the highway" either and should listen to his staff (players) if there are concerns, it's not a sign of weakness, no one is infallible. I can't knock him for that approach, however he's clearly not the right man for the job, even if he is doing the best he can with what he's got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Reading in the Times today that the Cabella complained about McClaren's training methods (passing emphasised) and got shown the door two weeks later. Then last week before the Liverpool game some more players wanted a more direct approach and apparently that's what got us the result against Liverpool. I don't know how much of this is true but if it is it's just confirmation that McClaren is not a leader and it's yet another shambolic appointment. I don't think listening to players' feedback and changing is a particularly bad sign of leadership, like. Not saying he's a good leader but that's hardly bad, imo. If he carried on playing in a way that players were admitting to feeling uncomfortable in that would be far worse. But it does suggest that he doesn't really know how to operate in the premier league today. How so? There's not one uniform style to playing football in the league. It's not about style though, a manager's job is to assess his squad and get them playing the most effective football to suit their abilities. That McClaren needs his players to do that for him doesn't say much for his own managerial quality. Interesting though that you're choosing to absolutely believe 'The Times' version of events Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Reading in the Times today that the Cabella complained about McClaren's training methods (passing emphasised) and got shown the door two weeks later. Then last week before the Liverpool game some more players wanted a more direct approach and apparently that's what got us the result against Liverpool. I don't know how much of this is true but if it is it's just confirmation that McClaren is not a leader and it's yet another shambolic appointment. I don't think listening to players' feedback and changing is a particularly bad sign of leadership, like. Not saying he's a good leader but that's hardly bad, imo. If he carried on playing in a way that players were admitting to feeling uncomfortable in that would be far worse. But it does suggest that he doesn't really know how to operate in the premier league today. How so? There's not one uniform style to playing football in the league. It's not about style though, a manager's job is to assess his squad and get them playing the most effective football to suit their abilities. That McClaren needs his players to do that for him doesn't say much for his own managerial quality. Interesting though that you're choosing to absolutely believe 'The Times' version of events I did say that I don't know how much of it is true, I'm just assuming the journalist isn't just making it all up. If he is then you would think somebody at the club would pull him up about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Didn't Van Gaal - by all accounts a very autocratic-style coach - receive a lot of praise for consulting Robben, Sneijder, Van Persie and the like about Holland's system before the World Cup? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 When you were doing as bad as we were consistently over a few months it shouldn't take the players telling him to realise that he should have changed something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Top coach my hairy arse. Utter f***ing fraud. How the f*** he got this 'reputation' is beyond ridiculous. Get the weetabix haired c*** out. he's a genius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Perez and Mitrovic improve the team, who would have thought? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spark Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 He's shown himself up here, to be honest. Ridiculous improvement after the subs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Fancy that, two players who should never have been benched winning it for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Nice to see him on the touchline today a bit more, always weird when him and Cathro just chat while we're getting beat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Mitro came on and played with some real passion. Not sure he would've been the same if he hadn't been dropped. Could've come on earlier mind. This is straight out the Pardew handbook though. We were still largely shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Nah fuck it, he gets a lot of credit from me for these results. We improved in the second half against Liverpool without the two subs of today. Thought we've played with a lot of spirit and enough quality at times to get excellent results in the last two matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Fancy that, two players who should never have been benched winning it for us. Both weren't playing well when they were left out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I just hope this is the end of the Cisse experiment, I think the first half was a lost cause either way but persevering with him up top in the 2nd when we're the better side was just silly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Next England manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Next England manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Fancy that, two players who should never have been benched winning it for us. Both weren't playing well when they were left out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Mitro and Perez did drop their levels a bit, he mixed up the one area he could and that's no bad thing to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I think benching them both for today is a sound strategy if he wants to ask them for more than they have been giving us. Place not guaranteed and all that, play well to keep the shirt etc. Now it's their shirts to lose. Pardew would have one of them benched for Villa to keep Cissé up top for sure, there was no logic at all in his selections. He got the reaction he was after from the two players and he got the result. There's only so much that can be done with a team containing Colback, Coloccini, Dummett as starters tbh. Still much happier with McClaren at the helm than Pardew, beggars can't be choosers and the next manager will probably be Alan Curbishly so I'm happy to get behind him for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Up top? Nah man, right wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Mitro and Perez did drop their levels a bit, he mixed up the one area he could and that's no bad thing to do. Having the SDJ/Cisse and Perez/Mitro combos to play is very useful. Very different set of dynamics and to switch between them in a game must unsettle sides. I'm sort of happy with the idea of the former getting the starts as long as the latter always come on second half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I'm pleasantly surprised at us playing better in the second half than in the first. We were routinely worse in the second half under Pardew and the end of games were scary and most often we played disgusting football. Yes, playing shit in the first half is not going to be good consistently but at least we've shown that we can do well in the second half. That's 4 or 5 times in the league now that we've scored more in the second half than the opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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