Dave Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Exactly. There is precisely no concept whatsoever within NUFC of growing a team and growing the club. It's all about doing the minimum required to stay in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Sissoko is still here (for now), we didn't let Perez go to Spurs... If a massive bid comes in for a player we'll always sell, but that applies to everyone bar the elite 3 or 4 clubs in world football. As long as we're going to replace them correctly now if this does happen, which the last 6 months worth of transfers are pointing towards, then I can live with that. It's if we return to flogging Cabaye and replacing him with Colback that will be the acid test if things really have changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Remy was never ours, Debuchy was properly replaced, Ba had the clause, Cabaye was always going to try it out at a bigger club to us, while Mbiwa, Santon & Ben Arfa can all be put down to being 'Pardewed' imo. All talented players we brought to the club who are either now not here or may as well not be (Cisse). How anyone can be excited as a NUFC supporter is beyond me. We are in a relegation fight and may well go down. Even if we don't, our best players will either be sold or want away sooner rather than later. If we were to genuinely try and mould a team for the long-term from this lot then yes, but even then we would still need a change of manager and a big change at that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemagpie Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 It's also exciting looking at the ages of our key players. Perez 22, Mitrovic 21, Shelvey 23, Wijnaldum 25, Sissoko 26, Mbemba 21, Janmaat 26. That core group could in theory be our main men for the next 3-4 years and beyond in most cases. Get this season out of the way and still in this league playing like this and there's plenty to have optimism for. There's just one big problem. Probably in the region of £150,000,000 actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Sissoko is still here (for now), we didn't let Perez go to Spurs... If a massive bid comes in for a player we'll always sell, but that applies to everyone bar the elite 3 or 4 clubs in world football. As long as we're going to replace them correctly now if this does happen, which the last 6 months worth of transfers are pointing towards, then I can live with that. It's if we return to flogging Cabaye and replacing him with Colback that will be the acid test if things really have changed. Everton rejected £20m, £26m and £30m for John Stones in the summer and turned down his transfer request. He still plays in their first team and is doing well. Even if you used to believe that 'normal' clubs never had a choice but to sell, the ridiculous TV money no longer means clubs have to bend over backwards for those at the top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 My thoughts exactly the team that wins the premier league next year won't be the team that spends the most it will be the team that has the best manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Sissoko is still here (for now), we didn't let Perez go to Spurs... If a massive bid comes in for a player we'll always sell, but that applies to everyone bar the elite 3 or 4 clubs in world football. As long as we're going to replace them correctly now if this does happen, which the last 6 months worth of transfers are pointing towards, then I can live with that. It's if we return to flogging Cabaye and replacing him with Colback that will be the acid test if things really have changed. Everton rejected £20m, £26m and £30m for John Stones in the summer and turned down his transfer request. He still plays in their first team and is doing well. Even if you used to believe that 'normal' clubs never had a choice but to sell, the ridiculous TV money no longer means clubs have to bend over backwards for those at the top. That's a fair point. £30m is hardly 'huge' though for what he's going to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Some of the stuff we produced against WHU was as good as we have played since KK was here in his second stint which is the best football we have played since... err Roader as caretaker. He might stand a chance if we start signing players suited to how he wants to play. In Shelvey for example we have a player who can pop the ball about, see a pass and can dictate play which is something we need if we want to play a possession type game. I'm not sure that it's down to him or just the quality of the players we are signing. Wijnaldum, Perez and Jonjo are just good footballers who play football the right way. Graham Carr was getting flak on here for signing too many players unsuited to the premier which was justified to some degree, but from a technique perspective some of our best football comes from those signings. What I will say is that the football we saw yesterday could never have been produced in a million years by a long ball merchant like Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 No hiding place now. Looks like we might add to it. Time to deliver Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Some of the stuff we produced against WHU was as good as we have played since KK was here in his second stint which is the best football we have played since... err Roader as caretaker. He might stand a chance if we start signing players suited to how he wants to play. In Shelvey for example we have a player who can pop the ball about, see a pass and can dictate play which is something we need if we want to play a possession type game. I'm not sure that it's down to him or just the quality of the players we are signing. Wijnaldum, Perez and Jonjo are just good footballers who play football the right way. Graham Carr was getting flak on here for signing too many players unsuited to the premier which was justified to some degree, but from a technique perspective some of our best football comes from those signings. What I will say is that the football we saw yesterday could never have been produced in a million years by a long ball merchant like Pardew. It's a mixture of both. You need the players to execute the gameplan. That first goal was a smashing team effort and Shelvey said it was something they were instructed to practise in the warm up. McClaren was much more astute in his post-match interview, talking about the importance of a passer like Shelvey opening a defence and tempo being key. I'm sure he knows the formula, he's just not had all the tools for it. We'll see where it goes from here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 I think we'll see a fair few average signings this summer mind and not as many 8-figure ones. The squad will need filling out to replace people like Williamson, Taylor, Gouffran, Cisse and could see us trying to move on Anita and a few others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 We're a much better footballing side than we have been for years and McClaren deserves praise for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 It's definitely down to him like, not that there aren't many other managers out there that could get us playing like this, but we've lucked out a bit as Ashley would have seen no difference in him and the likes of Pulis. I do still dream of the day Mike leaves and we splash out on a handsome lad from the continent. We'll get fuck all for Anita, may as well convert him into a full time right back. Bit of scrimping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 We're a much better footballing side than we have been for years and McClaren deserves praise for that. Yes. I agree. But it's faint praise. My feelings about McClaren are similar to those I had about Hughton. I like him personally and the football is better than what came before. He's not a twat and the football isn't turgid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 We're a much better footballing side than we have been for years and McClaren deserves praise for that. Yes. I agree. But it's faint praise. My feelings about McClaren are similar to those I had about Hughton. I like him personally and the football is better than what came before. He's not a twat and the football isn't turgid. He's no world beater and it's still early doors yet, but yes in comparison to the last 5 years McClaren at this moment in time may as well be Pep. Much more likeable than Pardew and proving to understand us better as a fan Base with the football he's trying to play and looks far less like a scrotum in sub zero temperatures than Carver. The last few games along with a decent couple of signings have given us reason to believe a little again, that's all we needed right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 We're a much better footballing side than we have been for years and McClaren deserves praise for that. A better footballing side with worse players imo. I don't rate McClaren, but I'd love to have seen the team Pardew had being asked to play in this way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 A better footballing side with worse players imo. I don't rate McClaren, but I'd love to have seen the team Pardew had being asked to play in this way. I think the season we came 5th could have been better if we'd tried to play the way we are currently trying to play instead of the way that we did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 still think it was cabaye's leadership and cisse's hot streak that lead us to 5th that season rather than any inspiration from pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 still think it was cabaye's leadership and cisse's hot streak that lead us to 5th that season rather than any inspiration from pardew. Colo was faultless till almost Christmas as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Cabaye's leadership? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Cabaye's leadership? yeah, I really do. seemed the players looked up to him and he was definitely very vocal on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 still think it was cabaye's leadership and cisse's hot streak that lead us to 5th that season rather than any inspiration from pardew. Colo was faultless till almost Christmas as well. Him and Saylor were excellent together. We had good depth that season. Best, Shoala, Perch, Raylor, Guthrie, and Jonas/Ben Arfa performed when they were called upon. There seemed to be a togetherness in that team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Cabaye's leadership? yeah, I really do. seemed the players looked up to him and he was definitely very vocal on the pitch. He'd just arrived, man. Ba's goals, a defence that played a consistent line, Ben Arfa, Cisse's goals and luck with injuries got us 5th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 That season man, we were regularly outplayed. Everything seemed to go our way that campaign, Chelsea and Liverpool being shit etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Cabaye's leadership? yeah, I really do. seemed the players looked up to him and he was definitely very vocal on the pitch. He'd just arrived, man. Ba's goals, a defence that played a consistent line, Ben Arfa, Cisse's goals and luck with injuries got us 5th. ...and imo Jonas' s defensive work along with below average players massively stepping up when needed. Best, Perch, Ryan Taylor and Guthrie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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