merlin Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 The club is lumbered with the worst combination at off-field management level - we have probably the most useless, timid, inexperienced and talentless MD in Charnley who is so far out of his depth and beholden to Ashley for his unwarranted position, combined with a manager who has failed in all the big challenges he has taken on. His only success in the UK was a LC win for Boro and for me, that was the highline of his career ; failed at England, moderate success in a much less competitive Dutch league followed by a disastrous spell in the Midlands resulting in Derby firing him after he had been linked with NUFC(which he turned down)but mainly because he presided over them falling away disastrously from the promotion positions after being in the upper reaches for most of the season. He was appointed by Charnley because he was prepared to swallow any control over buying of players and not challenge Charnley's running of the club under Ashleyl Nobody can surely be that surprised that we are now in serious danger of returning to the Championship under this guy despite all that has been spent, the biggest waste of which has been the purchase of Thauvin - thanks to another of the off-field star men, Carr, who, along with the other muppets, has had a fine pension pot addition thanks to Ashley's great personnel selection. Nevertheless, even if McClaren went we are most unlikely to get a decent manager unless Moyes fancies a crack at the job until something better comes along because nobody good wants to work under Ashley & Co. Hard to see how we are going to escape this death-spiral. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunedin Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 We are the only club in the relegation mire who have not changed their manager. Yesterday Swansea won thus getting the effect of new manager syndrome. We need to follow suit. Schteve is now clearly going to take us down even with new players. His ineptitude is reaching new heights, tactical unawareness staggering, inability to use substitutes effectively, incredible playing of players out of position and week in week out fielding an unbalanced team. Where is any threat from our left flank? It used to be funny listening to his post match comments but now they are stupid and unbelievable. What is it he can't see that 50,000 other people see every time they play? The frustration is reaching unheard of levels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 The club is lumbered with the worst combination at off-field management level - we have probably the most useless, timid, inexperienced and talentless MD in Charnley who is so far out of his depth and beholden to Ashley for his unwarranted position, combined with a manager who has failed in all the big challenges he has taken on. His only success in the UK was a LC win for Boro and for me, that was the highline of his career ; failed at England, moderate success in a much less competitive Dutch league followed by a disastrous spell in the Midlands resulting in Derby firing him after he had been linked with NUFC(which he turned down)but mainly because he presided over them falling away disastrously from the promotion positions after being in the upper reaches for most of the season. He was appointed by Charnley because he was prepared to swallow any control over buying of players and not challenge Charnley's running of the club under Ashleyl Nobody can surely be that surprised that we are now in serious danger of returning to the Championship under this guy despite all that has been spent, the biggest waste of which has been the purchase of Thauvin - thanks to another of the off-field star men, Carr, who, along with the other muppets, has had a fine pension pot addition thanks to Ashley's great personnel selection. Nevertheless, even if McClaren went we are most unlikely to get a decent manager unless Moyes fancies a crack at the job until something better comes along because nobody good wants to work under Ashley & Co. Hard to see how we are going to escape this death-spiral. Yeah pretty much. No manager worth his salt would work under shuch an awful structure. This is why we pick managers up from the scrap heap. You only have to look at the appointment of Kinnear all those years ago to get an idea of what Ashley is about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Charnley is a puppet, Ashley made a statement last year telling us that the football board make all the decisions and he just stands by a lets them, however Pullis confirmed last week that Ashley had been dealing directly with Pearce. I've said it a thousand times if people are prepared to work for Ashley under the current conditions then that automatically makes them the wrong men for the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Makes me laugh a little when people say Ashley should take action and force Charnley to resign or hold Carr to account.Her should, but the whole setup is him. Puppets and sycophants subject to his model and his authority. It's his will and whims. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Charnley is a puppet, Ashley made a statement last year telling us that the football board make all the decisions and he just stands by a lets them, however Pullis confirmed last week that Ashley had been dealing directly with Pearce. I've said it a thousand times if people are prepared to work for Ashley under the current conditions then that automatically makes them the wrong men for the job. i didn't really take that as confirmation like, is that what people thought? i just took it as pulis being an arsehole Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 We're certainly right in line to be the most tremendous team in the Championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bert Shaft Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 We're certainly right in line to be the most tremendous team in the Championship. 18th most tremendous.. deffo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 He's not doing enough to make a poor squad better than it actually is. Saying that I don't really buy all these 'the talent is there' comments. In terms of experienced PL players in their prime who are actually good, we started the season with Krul, Sissoko and Janmaat. That's it. Everyone else is old, new, young or shit. Not exactly a great situation to go into. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elma Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I don't dislike Steve McClaren as a person - he seems a decent bloke and I wish it would work out for him for all our sakes. I also hate changing managers and think that stabilty brings success. However, that is only if you have the right bolke in the first place. Unfortunately Steve is just not a good enough manager and never was. Most of us knew that from the start but he was an easy choice as he was free and available. Never in Ashley's tenure have we gone out and actually spent money to recruit a manager/coach who was on the up at his current club. It seems to be the feeling that the coach is more or less an irrelevance and if we spend money on half-decent but cheaply acquired players now and then any old fool should be able to mould them into a side capable of keeping the TV money rolling in. We would be much better off if Charnley admitted he got it wrong in the summer, and we used the Townsend or Berahino money to sack off McClaren and bring in a top coach. Despite the fact we are missing a natural goal scorer, a left back, and a centre-half (at the bare minimum), this current squad has enough about it to already be at the 30 point mark in the right hands. Even if they wanted to continue the current approach and get a manager who is free, they could still improve with Rodgers, Moyes or Benitez. OK, so I'm in cloud-cuckoo land with Benitez, but provided they give the new bloke a greater say in transfer dealings then they've got a chance with the other two. Personally I'd take Rodgers over Moyes as I like his style of football and think he would be a good fit for us, but I've always been a fan of Moyes too and if you're going to give someone a longer period to get it right he could be just the bloke. For someone as stingy as Ashley, I still can't believe that he can't see this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 we wouldnt be where we are if we had moyes or benitez, I'm pretty sure of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elma Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 we wouldnt be where we are if we had moyes or benitez, I'm pretty sure of that. Exactly - none of Rodgers, Moyes or Benitez were free in the summer but they are all free now. They may have some contractural agreement with their last clubs that we need to cover but it's better than what we will lose if we drop out the league. With a nine day break before the next game now is the time to move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Banaloona Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I don't know why we even talk about McClaren being replaced because it ain't happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I don't know why we even talk about McClaren being replaced because it ain't happening. Yep, absolutely no chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Banaloona Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I don't know why we even talk about McClaren being replaced because it ain't happening. Yep, absolutely no chance. Its unfortunate but there is absolutely no point is wasting energy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankles Bennett Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 we wouldnt be where we are if we had moyes or benitez, I'm pretty sure of that. Exactly - none of Rodgers, Moyes or Benitez were free in the summer but they are all free now. They may have some contractural agreement with their last clubs that we need to cover but it's better than what we will lose if we drop out the league. With a nine day break before the next game now is the time to move. Its never going to happen while Charnley is MD because he would have to admit he got it wrong, yet again (Carver!!!) and would be exprected to tender his resignation, I am assuming Ashley will have a clause in his conract that means no pay off if he resigns. However, when, not if, we get relegated he will be sacked and replaced by the groundsmans assistant, and will no doubt be entitled to a massive golden handshake for abiding by the perennial confidentiality clause in the severance package. Money!!! thats all these cretins are interested in rather than doing the honourable thing and admitting they are just not up to the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I don't hate the bloke, yet. He's just not good enough at all and we're already fucked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Seemed he did a great job at Newcastle Falcons who are always in a yearly relegation fight He was there when they won the title iirc. That is when they had mega money and took the division by storm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Mick Lowes sticking the boot in to McClaren, now such a two-faced cowardly cunt - never does it to mcclaren's face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Seemed he did a great job at Newcastle Falcons who are always in a yearly relegation fight He was there when they won the title iirc. That is when they had mega money and took the division by storm Obviously I don't know what Blackie is like day-to-day, and it's an unusual role in football, but he's very well respected and people like Jonny Wilkinson rave about him. (It's true they had all the best players) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Seemed he did a great job at Newcastle Falcons who are always in a yearly relegation fight He was there when they won the title iirc. That is when they had mega money and took the division by storm Obviously I don't know what Blackie is like day-to-day, and it's an unusual role in football, but he's very well respected and people like Jonny Wilkinson rave about him. (It's true they had all the best players) very true with the respect and all that but the players raise themselves for the top 6 but bread and butter games are mostly dog shit with one or two exceptions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 we wouldnt be where we are if we had moyes or benitez, I'm pretty sure of that. Agree with that. Also agree that there's no chance he's going anywhere. I fear he'll be allowed to take us down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Seemed he did a great job at Newcastle Falcons who are always in a yearly relegation fight He was there when they won the title iirc. That is when they had mega money and took the division by storm Obviously I don't know what Blackie is like day-to-day, and it's an unusual role in football, but he's very well respected and people like Jonny Wilkinson rave about him. (It's true they had all the best players) He was awful as best man at my cousins wedding, excrutiating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 5 points in the last 7 games he has to go before it's too late and maybe it is already. How people can even attempty to try and stick up for this fraud is honestly bewildering. As long as we can get someone in better, Any idea which mug that would be ? Moyes or Rodgers ? Moyes, maybe. Rodgers? Fuck that. We need someone with character. If our squad stays the same, only a fucking Mourinho has the bollocks and fire to save us. Calling... http://i.imgur.com/KLHSymp.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Jose, come and manage Bobbys old boys... something nice about that. But if you thought Pards was a Narcissist... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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