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Whilst it is hard to see the board making a decent decision, regarding a new manager.  That sort of attitude, would mean we'd still be stuck with Pardew.  I think having that view, would also ensure that we go down.  As it's the only way we're headed under McClaren. 

 

So how would sacking him and appointing someone no better improve things ?

 

We might actually luck out and end up with a decent manager?  What's the alternative?  We're going to just leave McClaren in charge, then get relegated, then appoint someone else when we're in the championship?

 

Whilst it is hard to see the board making a decent decision, regarding a new manager.  That sort of attitude, would mean we'd still be stuck with Pardew.  I think having that view, would also ensure that we go down.  As it's the only way we're headed under McClaren. 

 

After Pardew we ended up with Carver for half a season, who inexplicably almost took us down having been in an OK position.

 

I'd rather stick with him tbh, it'll be touch-and-go whether we stay up in that case, whereas you can rely on Ashley to f*** it up massively if there's a decision to make.

 

Fair enough.  I'd rather gamble.  I don't see us getting out the s*** with McClaren.  At least some new chump, might get us some points on the back of the new manager bounce.  A bit like sunderland have for the last few seasons.  Or, Ashley might get extremely lucky and end up getting someone half decent. 

it would be down to luck  to get someone half decent, we may get someone even worse also....
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Hope this Arry talk stops like. It came from that bagpipe Alan Brazil. Arry's not coming even though it seems logical until the end of the season.

 

The key to all of this is how desperate is Ashley for the Tv money. If he wants it so bad and he thinks there's a big chance of him missing out on it, then he will really need to get rid of McClaren and get a genuine quality replacement in who can quickly fix the team and avoid the drop. Others here have said that Ashley has f***ed up the replacements a number of times before. The only difference now is the risk is bigger now and it's a massive gamble to go with someone unproven or a cheap alternative. He also probably knows it'd be harder coming straight back up in the near future.

 

Biggest decision of his time here in my opinion.

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Whilst it is hard to see the board making a decent decision, regarding a new manager.  That sort of attitude, would mean we'd still be stuck with Pardew.  I think having that view, would also ensure that we go down.  As it's the only way we're headed under McClaren. 

 

So how would sacking him and appointing someone no better improve things ?

 

We might actually luck out and end up with a decent manager?  What's the alternative?  We're going to just leave McClaren in charge, then get relegated, then appoint someone else when we're in the championship?

 

Whilst it is hard to see the board making a decent decision, regarding a new manager.  That sort of attitude, would mean we'd still be stuck with Pardew.  I think having that view, would also ensure that we go down.  As it's the only way we're headed under McClaren. 

 

After Pardew we ended up with Carver for half a season, who inexplicably almost took us down having been in an OK position.

 

I'd rather stick with him tbh, it'll be touch-and-go whether we stay up in that case, whereas you can rely on Ashley to f*** it up massively if there's a decision to make.

 

Fair enough.  I'd rather gamble.  I don't see us getting out the s*** with McClaren.  At least some new chump, might get us some points on the back of the new manager bounce.  A bit like sunderland have for the last few seasons.  Or, Ashley might get extremely lucky and end up getting someone half decent. 

it would be down to luck  to get someone half decent, we may get someone even worse also....

 

So you're happy to just plod on, with someone clearly out of their depth?  Who in the middle of February, still has no noticeable style of play or seems to have any idea on how to set us up?  Righto. 

 

I just find the notion, of settling on some shithouse, useless manager, just because 'the next guy might possibly be worse'.  A bit of an odd one?  So we should just lap up the shit served up to us and just be happy that it's not Terry Vegetables?  The sort of past it manager, that Ashley and Co, might appoint as a replacement?  It can't really get much worse, can it?  We've been in and around the bottom three, since the start of the season.  His record isn't much better than Carver's and that's with a far better squad, IMO. 

 

Happy to agree to disagree.  As we're just going to derail the thread, arguing the same point over and over.

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I think they hope the "warm weather training", "bonding trip" or whatever this friendly shite is supposed to be will sort it all out.  When we failed to get McClaren the back up plan was McClaren, when McClaren failed the back-up plan is McClaren in bermuda shorts.

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I think they hope the "warm weather training", "bonding trip" or whatever this friendly shite is supposed to be will sort it all out.  When we failed to get McClaren the back up plan was McClaren, when McClaren failed the back-up plan is McClaren in bermuda shorts.

 

I hope the next back-up is complete with erotic consequences.

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That's a good point on the away form Vlad. Aside from a few good performances where we were unlucky like at Arsenal and the win at Spurs it's been absolute toilet and that has to come from the manager.

 

I disagree on taking the other names mentioned though. I overheard someone talking earlier about bringing in a motivator to work a long side Cathro and the coaching staff like Sherwood or Redknapp and although I think those names are

laughable to replace him with I wonder if it is simply a matter of motivation and confidence.

 

Get Roy Keane to just stand there with his dog scowling at them.  You wouldn't have another bad game if you came off to find a mental bearded Irishman staring at you in the showers.

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This thread was desperate for McClaren to be dismissed this week. The slight mention of Bagpuss and everyone is shitting themselves & to hold on to McClaren.

 

He is out of his depth in the premier league. If people want to see us down and then he gets the boot in the hope we have more time to appoint the right guy to bring us back up don't waste your time. This club appears to act better under pressure. When they have time to make decisions they usually get it wrong.

 

Can't believe some still defending McClaren and blaming the players, rightly the players have been shit, but take his Derby County form into this season, so basically his yearly form, he's terrible. Never wanted the guy from the off, utter stupid naive bellend. A mate not a manager.

 

Moyes.

Pearson.

 

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In my view this board will stick with McLaren through thick and thin.  Its their judgement that is on the line by appointing him, and they just can't bring themselves to admit their judgement was horribly flawed.

 

Ultimately though, the main reason they will stick with Mc Laren is the old adage that if you give the manager time he will eventually build a succesful side. 

 

Quite where they get this belief is beyond me, because the only managers who have ever been given time have been sucessful pretty much immediately, which has in turn bought them more time, even Sir Alex was on the verge of being fired when he got a stay by actually winning something.

 

The Arsenal fans have been clamouring for Wenger to be replaced for at least the last four or five seasons because they haven't won anything of note by their standards.  Even Liverpool are on their 4th or 5th manager in the last ten years or so.  Chelsea have had quite a few successful managers in the last ten years who have been sacked as soon as it's become apparent they won't win the title, and even Man city are turning over managers on a fairly consistent rate despite winning titles and trophys.

 

How on earth our board thinks McLaren should be given time is staggering, wgiven the attrition rate of managers in the top clubs.

 

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It's a pipe dream but I still think Keegan with a 3 year contract a sensible yearly transfer budget and free reign over football matters, saves us from relegation this season and takes us forward much quicker and with a lot more enjoyment than any other football manager

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It's a pipe dream but I still think Keegan with a 3 year contract a sensible yearly transfer budget and free reign over football matters, saves us from relegation this season and takes us forward much quicker and with a lot more enjoyment than any other football manager

 

Just thought of something interesting there. If Ashley did something like that and Keegan accepted....all forgiven or Keegan sold out to the devil?

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