Karjala Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 HT: West Ham 1-1 Brum Boro 1-0 Fulham Derby 0-0 Spuds Scum 1-0 Wigan Everton 0-0 Reading Bolton 0-0 Portsmouth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Posted this in the match thread, but gonna post it in here and all, so I don't have to keep reading the utter bollocks that people spout in there whenever we lose - is there anything worse than the match thread after a defeat!?!? - anyway: It's pretty simple really. The team's confidence is very very fragile and their fitness is also not up to scratch. We start games well and at a good tempo, but we can't keep it going into the second half and when the other team comes back into the game we don't have either the heart or strength to cope with it. Once one goal goes in then our heads go down and it's almost inevitable that more will follow. What people on here are either ignoring - or simply to f****** stupid to see, perhaps - is that our good periods are getting better and lasting longer, progress is being made. At the moment it's not important how badly it goes wrong once it's gone tits-up, it's all about what happens before that point. What we really need is to manage to grab a couple of goals when we're playing well at the start of a game and then scrape home to a win. Once we've done that, you'll see the confidence come flooding back into the team and I reckon we'll go on a bit of a run towards the end of the season. However it's going to take a while and it could go wrong if the players stop believing that it's going to happen. KK will have his work cut out to keep their morale up and if you see us start a game like we've been finishing them, that's when we should start to really worry. For once the fans do actually have a real chance to make a positive difference and hopefully the people who seem to love nothing better than wallowing in our own crapness, by booing the team at the earliest opportunity and going way over the top on here, will either shut up or suffer some unfortunate accident. Yeah, we're poor at the moment, but we're getting better, there are still positives to be seen. Confidence and attitude is probably 40-50% of the problem. We also have to recognize that this is a shockingly poor team - when we eventually get rid of half our players you won't see them again at this level. Hysterics don't do anyone any good, but if we manage to survive this season, drastic, expensive action has to be taken. In the mean time, I think we need about 9 points. Anywhere will do. Yeah, don't get me wrong, we need serious work doing in the summer, but it's not as bad as many people seem to think. A lot of people on here love nothing better than a doom-laden hysterical rant about how we're guaranteed to go down, I some times wonder what these saddos would do if we ever became successful, probably wouldn't know what to do with themselves and would jump off the Tyne bridge just to feel "normal". Some of the people who claim to follow this football club really are retards, I wonder if every team has the same problem, they almost certainly do, but ours seems to be a bigger problem than most. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Posted this in the match thread, but gonna post it in here and all, so I don't have to keep reading the utter bollocks that people spout in there whenever we lose - is there anything worse than the match thread after a defeat!?!? - anyway: It's pretty simple really. The team's confidence is very very fragile and their fitness is also not up to scratch. We start games well and at a good tempo, but we can't keep it going into the second half and when the other team comes back into the game we don't have either the heart or strength to cope with it. Once one goal goes in then our heads go down and it's almost inevitable that more will follow. What people on here are either ignoring - or simply to f****** stupid to see, perhaps - is that our good periods are getting better and lasting longer, progress is being made. At the moment it's not important how badly it goes wrong once it's gone tits-up, it's all about what happens before that point. What we really need is to manage to grab a couple of goals when we're playing well at the start of a game and then scrape home to a win. Once we've done that, you'll see the confidence come flooding back into the team and I reckon we'll go on a bit of a run towards the end of the season. However it's going to take a while and it could go wrong if the players stop believing that it's going to happen. KK will have his work cut out to keep their morale up and if you see us start a game like we've been finishing them, that's when we should start to really worry. For once the fans do actually have a real chance to make a positive difference and hopefully the people who seem to love nothing better than wallowing in our own crapness, by booing the team at the earliest opportunity and going way over the top on here, will either shut up or suffer some unfortunate accident. Yeah, we're poor at the moment, but we're getting better, there are still positives to be seen. Confidence and attitude is probably 40-50% of the problem. We also have to recognize that this is a shockingly poor team - when we eventually get rid of half our players you won't see them again at this level. Hysterics don't do anyone any good, but if we manage to survive this season, drastic, expensive action has to be taken. In the mean time, I think we need about 9 points. Anywhere will do. Yeah, don't get me wrong, we need serious work doing in the summer, but it's not as bad as many people seem to think. A lot of people on here love nothing better than a doom-laden hysterical rant about how we're guaranteed to go down, I some times wonder what these saddos would do if we ever became successful, probably wouldn't know what to do with themselves and would jump off the Tyne bridge just to feel "normal". Some of the people who claim to follow this football club really are retards, I wonder if every team has the same problem, they almost certainly do, but ours seems to be a bigger problem than most. I agree, well said Indi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 hmmmm, gap down to 6pts now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Doom laden, maybe yes, but saddos and retards is a bit strong a description to call very concerned and realistic supporters. Doug. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeToon Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 We'll squeak through, even if we only pick up a single point between now and the end of the season. This is my inexpert opinion based on absolutely nothing but blind faith and the performances of the teams below us. Yet I am confident it will prove correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 2006/2007 18th place side went down with 38 points (17th place also had 38 points) 2005/2006 18th place side went down with 34 points (17th place had 38 points) 2004/2005 18th place side went down with 33 points (17th place had 34 points) 2003/2004 18th place side went down with 33 points (17th place had 39 points) 2002/2003 18th place side went down with 42 points (17th place had 44 points) 2001/2002 18th place side went down with 36 points (17th place had 40 points) 2000/2001 18th place side went down with 34 points (17th place had 42 points) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 HT: West Ham 1-1 Brum Boro 1-0 Fulham Derby 0-0 Spuds Scum 1-0 Wigan Everton 0-0 Reading Bolton 0-0 Portsmouth Not many goals today - of course apart from in our game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 2006/2007 18th place side went down with 38 points (17th place also had 38 points) 2005/2006 18th place side went down with 34 points (17th place had 38 points) 2004/2005 18th place side went down with 33 points (17th place had 34 points) 2003/2004 18th place side went down with 33 points (17th place had 39 points) 2002/2003 18th place side went down with 42 points (17th place had 44 points) 2001/2002 18th place side went down with 36 points (17th place had 40 points) 2000/2001 18th place side went down with 34 points (17th place had 42 points) Need about 36 points then, based on the average of those going down being 35. 8 points from the 36 remaining. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 2006/2007 18th place side went down with 38 points (17th place also had 38 points) 2005/2006 18th place side went down with 34 points (17th place had 38 points) 2004/2005 18th place side went down with 33 points (17th place had 34 points) 2003/2004 18th place side went down with 33 points (17th place had 39 points) 2002/2003 18th place side went down with 42 points (17th place had 44 points) 2001/2002 18th place side went down with 36 points (17th place had 40 points) 2000/2001 18th place side went down with 34 points (17th place had 42 points) Need about 36 points then, based on the average of those going down being 35. 8 points from the 36 remaining. Worrying Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Doom laden, maybe yes, but saddos and retards is a bit strong a description to call very concerned and realistic supporters. Doug. In the words of Roy Walker: Say what you see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 I think we are in one now and while I don't think we will, we can't ignore what we are and where we are, least of all those around us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 I never think of relegation under Allardyce. Now I think we really have a battle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 the thread title should be changed to "how can we get out of the relegation battle ?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spurs_from_Africa Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 I can pretty safely say that you wont get relegated. No matter how poorly you play, as Ive said before, there will be at least 3 teams that finish below you. The thing that will save you, if you really do believe that you are in a relegation scrap is how unbelievably poor the teams below you are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 I appreciate your vote of confidence but the form table suggests that otherwise... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Because Sam f***** up the first half of the season so badly. "Relegation pressure" is never one of the reasons behind his sacking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 And since when did brum away become a fearsome fixture? For the past 7 or 8 seasons, a fixture like Birmingham away has had a Newcastle loss written all over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 2006/2007 18th place side went down with 38 points (17th place also had 38 points) 2005/2006 18th place side went down with 34 points (17th place had 38 points) 2004/2005 18th place side went down with 33 points (17th place had 34 points) 2003/2004 18th place side went down with 33 points (17th place had 39 points) 2002/2003 18th place side went down with 42 points (17th place had 44 points) 2001/2002 18th place side went down with 36 points (17th place had 40 points) 2000/2001 18th place side went down with 34 points (17th place had 42 points) And to think the press/fans/pundits always say you need 40pts for survival, once in the past 7 seasons a team has been relegated on more than 38pts. And this season wont be any different. We need 5 more points IMO, Fulham, Reading, scum, are the best chance for those points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Doom laden, maybe yes, but saddos and retards is a bit strong a description to call very concerned and realistic supporters. Doug. Exactly right, Doug - all some blind optimists can do is shoot the messenger ; the facts are there for all to see and I reckon its going to need 37 points to be sure of escape - perhaps the ones who think its impossible would like to give a forecast of where those points are coming from after such a comprehensive defeat by Villa who were without their best player and supposedly on a bad run...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Today was an example of why we'll not go down. Sure, Sunderland & Boro picked up points to reel us in, but can you honestly see Birmingham, Wigan & Reading doing the same? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Doom laden, maybe yes, but saddos and retards is a bit strong a description to call very concerned and realistic supporters. Doug. Exactly right, Doug - all some blind optimists can do is shoot the messenger ; the facts are there for all to see and I reckon its going to need 37 points to be sure of escape - perhaps the ones who think its impossible would like to give a forecast of where those points are coming from after such a comprehensive defeat by Villa who were without their best player and supposedly on a bad run...? So are you saying you expect Wigan, Reading AND Birmingham to each win 5 of their remaining games? 3 wins will comfortably keep us up. Just a f*cking shambles we're even thinking about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 bolton appear to have the hardest run in of those at the bottom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K9 Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 I never think of relegation under Allardyce. Now I think we really have a battle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 It's been said on here before but I think one of things that is worrying is the closer we get the more the players will begin to shit it and feel the pressure, whereas the teams below are not 'used to it' but more well equipped to deal with it imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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