Obafemi Martins

[merlin]

1 goal per 5 chances to score, not 1 goal for every 5 games...

 

EDIT: I'm pretty sure that was Glenn Hoddle's assessment on Cole after leaving him out of many England squads...

 

If that was Hoddle's assessment of Cole, its a good job Martins isn't English and had been around when Hoddle was manager ; he wouldn't have merited CONSIDERATION for the England squad, let alone be left out..

Also, Hoddle had the luxury of selecting one Alan Shearer as his main striker - are you now going to try to compare Martins to Shearer as well...!

[Ronaldo]

Hoddle's a fucking idiot, why even bother considering the opinion of that tosspiece

[Tooj]

1 in 5? 

 

"In all Cole hit 68 goals in 84 games for Newcastle giving him a strike rate of 81%. In terms of goal potency per game for Newcastle only Hughie Gallacher has a better record"

 

Cole was absolutely lethal in his time for us. The cunt.

[Mowen]

1 in 5? 

 

"In all Cole hit 68 goals in 84 games for Newcastle giving him a strike rate of 81%. In terms of goal potency per game for Newcastle only Hughie Gallacher has a better record"

 

Cole was absolutely lethal in his time for us. The cunt.

 

Better (albeit different) for us than he was for ManU imo.

[Tooj]

Oba reminds me a bit of Andy Cole - needs 5 chances to get a goal.

 

How the fuck he missed that one against Pompey i'll never know, the kind of chance a striker dreams of.

 

Nothing like Cole at all. In his time here Cole was one of the most clinical strikers I have seen.

[Tooj]

1 in 5? 

 

"In all Cole hit 68 goals in 84 games for Newcastle giving him a strike rate of 81%. In terms of goal potency per game for Newcastle only Hughie Gallacher has a better record"

 

Cole was absolutely lethal in his time for us. The cunt.

 

Better (albeit different) for us than he was for ManU imo.

 

Definitely. I much preferred our version to the more refined version of the player after he went to Man Utd. A bit like Rooney actually in the way he changed his game to suite the team, yet lost a bit of that edge that made him the player that Man Utd actually bought.

[Guest Brewcastle]

Oba reminds me a bit of Andy Cole - needs 5 chances to get a goal.

How the f*** he missed that one against Pompey i'll never know, the kind of chance a striker dreams of.

If Martins reminds you about Andy Cole, I can't understand why complaining.

Andy Cole have the best Strike-rate of all number 9's. 

[Tooj]

Cole also beats Martins due to his rapping ability.

[Pilko]

Cole also beats Martins due to his rapping ability.

 

Aye, Cole's is outstanding.

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Andy Cole was born to score goals, pure finisher. He did miss the odd chance, but if Martins could finish half as well we'd still be playing Premiership football now.

[Raconteur]

1 goal per 5 chances to score, not 1 goal for every 5 games...

 

EDIT: I'm pretty sure that was Glenn Hoddle's assessment on Cole after leaving him out of many England squads...

 

If that was Hoddle's assessment of Cole, its a good job Martins isn't English and had been around when Hoddle was manager ; he wouldn't have merited CONSIDERATION for the England squad, let alone be left out..

Also, Hoddle had the luxury of selecting one Alan Shearer as his main striker - are you now going to try to compare Martins to Shearer as well...!

 

I wasn't the one drawing comparisons, I was just correcting an incorrect interpretation.

 

That said, one could argue that Martins was comparing himself to Shearer when he consciously chose the #9 jersey

 

[jimmymag]

1 goal per 5 chances to score, not 1 goal for every 5 games...

 

EDIT: I'm pretty sure that was Glenn Hoddle's assessment on Cole after leaving him out of many England squads...

 

If that was Hoddle's assessment of Cole, its a good job Martins isn't English and had been around when Hoddle was manager ; he wouldn't have merited CONSIDERATION for the England squad, let alone be left out..

Also, Hoddle had the luxury of selecting one Alan Shearer as his main striker - are you now going to try to compare Martins to Shearer as well...!

 

I wasn't the one drawing comparisons, I was just correcting an incorrect interpretation.

 

That said, one could argue that Martins was comparing himself to Shearer when he consciously chose the #9 jersey

 

 

I was pleased when Martins wanted the #9 shirt as it showed he had confidence in his own ability, just a shame that his confidence was misplaced.

[Pilko]

1 goal per 5 chances to score, not 1 goal for every 5 games...

 

EDIT: I'm pretty sure that was Glenn Hoddle's assessment on Cole after leaving him out of many England squads...

 

If that was Hoddle's assessment of Cole, its a good job Martins isn't English and had been around when Hoddle was manager ; he wouldn't have merited CONSIDERATION for the England squad, let alone be left out..

Also, Hoddle had the luxury of selecting one Alan Shearer as his main striker - are you now going to try to compare Martins to Shearer as well...!

 

I wasn't the one drawing comparisons, I was just correcting an incorrect interpretation.

 

That said, one could argue that Martins was comparing himself to Shearer when he consciously chose the #9 jersey

 

 

Martins said many times in that first season that he did not want to be compared to Shearer because they are totally different players.

[Guest BooBoo]

1 goal per 5 chances to score, not 1 goal for every 5 games...

 

EDIT: I'm pretty sure that was Glenn Hoddle's assessment on Cole after leaving him out of many England squads...

 

If that was Hoddle's assessment of Cole, its a good job Martins isn't English and had been around when Hoddle was manager ; he wouldn't have merited CONSIDERATION for the England squad, let alone be left out..

Also, Hoddle had the luxury of selecting one Alan Shearer as his main striker - are you now going to try to compare Martins to Shearer as well...!

 

I wasn't the one drawing comparisons, I was just correcting an incorrect interpretation.

 

That said, one could argue that Martins was comparing himself to Shearer when he consciously chose the #9 jersey

 

 

Martins said many times in that first season that he did not want to be compared to Shearer because they are totally different players.

 

Very true. Shearer was quality and Martins....wasn't

[Interpolic]

Didn't catch it properly but SSN just said Martins or his agent has claimed that Arsenal, Villa and Everton have all made enquiries about him.

[matta]

Didn't catch it properly but SSN just said Martins or his agent has claimed that Arsenal, Villa and Everton have all made enquiries about him.

 

Let them pay for the bastard!

[Karjala]

Didn't catch it properly but SSN just said Martins or his agent has claimed that Arsenal, Villa and Everton have all made enquiries about him.

fuckin hope so!

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

Didn't catch it properly but SSN just said Martins or his agent has claimed that Arsenal, Villa and Everton have all made enquiries about him.

 

Good -  inconsistent, over-hyped. Thanks for the memories but not what we need.

 

I reckon 8-10 mil is a fair price in the current market

[Guest wshmag]

Didn't catch it properly but SSN just said Martins or his agent has claimed that Arsenal, Villa and Everton have all made enquiries about him.

 

Good -  inconsistent, over-hyped. Thanks for the memories but not what we need.

 

I reckon 8-10 mil is a fair price in the current market

 

the only memories i have is a thunderbolt away to spurs, a couple of canny efforts but in the end, a lazy, work-shy, inconsistent, huffy tosser.

hope he has a career ending injury when he fucks off elsewhere, like most of the players who will be leaving this summer.

 

[Yorkie]

Didn't catch it properly but SSN just said Martins or his agent has claimed that Arsenal, Villa and Everton have all made enquiries about him.

 

Good -  inconsistent, over-hyped. Thanks for the memories but not what we need.

 

I reckon 8-10 mil is a fair price in the current market

 

the only memories i have is a thunderbolt away to spurs, a couple of canny efforts but in the end, a lazy, work-shy, inconsistent, huffy tosser.

hope he has a career ending injury when he fucks off elsewhere, like most of the players who will be leaving this summer.

 

Fucking mint on his day though, like.

 

Nowt wrong with being huffy if you ask me, btw.

[tmonkey]

It's not about "service" with him. We know he's s*** at making good runs, he's s*** at using his pace effectively, his composure is s*** when he only has the keeper to beat, his first touch consistency is s*** - so on and so forth. Having established that he's not Craig Bellamy, how about looking at what he is good at?

 

He's at his most dangerous imo when he's 10 to 20 yards out from goal and he still has the opposition centrebacks in front of him. It's here that his ability to turn in or out pretty sharply, and then get a shot off with either foot, has caused plenty of good centrebacks problems. Irrespective of the reasons as to why he's not done this often enough for us down the years, he has the ability to create goals for himself against Premiership defences, which would surely make him a valuable to have for e.g. mid table sides.

 

On top of this ability, he has a good leap, a half decent header on him, as well as the ability to score from outside the box. I'd say that overall, if last season's injury problems are temporary, he'll be a decent 15 goal striker for plenty of the teams in the Premiership. Someone like Fulham would be ideal for him.

[Dave]

It's not about "service" with him. We know he's s*** at making good runs, he's s*** at using his pace effectively, his composure is s*** when he only has the keeper to beat, his first touch consistency is s*** - so on and so forth. Having established that he's not Craig Bellamy, how about looking at what he is good at?

 

He's at his most dangerous imo when he's 10 to 20 yards out from goal and he still has the opposition centrebacks in front of him. It's here that his ability to turn in or out pretty sharply, and then get a shot off with either foot, has caused plenty of good centrebacks problems. Irrespective of the reasons as to why he's not done this often enough for us down the years, he has the ability to create goals for himself against Premiership defences, which would surely make him a valuable to have for e.g. mid table sides.

 

On top of this ability, he has a good leap, a half decent header on him, as well as the ability to score from outside the box. I'd say that overall, if last season's injury problems are temporary, he'll be a decent 15 goal striker for plenty of the teams in the Premiership. Someone like Fulham would be ideal for him.

 

Good post. There's a lot of hyperbole regarding Martins but I still think he's a decent player overall.

[KaKa]

It's not about "service" with him. We know he's s*** at making good runs, he's s*** at using his pace effectively, his composure is s*** when he only has the keeper to beat, his first touch consistency is s*** - so on and so forth. Having established that he's not Craig Bellamy, how about looking at what he is good at?

 

He's at his most dangerous imo when he's 10 to 20 yards out from goal and he still has the opposition centrebacks in front of him. It's here that his ability to turn in or out pretty sharply, and then get a shot off with either foot, has caused plenty of good centrebacks problems. Irrespective of the reasons as to why he's not done this often enough for us down the years, he has the ability to create goals for himself against Premiership defences, which would surely make him a valuable to have for e.g. mid table sides.

 

On top of this ability, he has a good leap, a half decent header on him, as well as the ability to score from outside the box. I'd say that overall, if last season's injury problems are temporary, he'll be a decent 15 goal striker for plenty of the teams in the Premiership. Someone like Fulham would be ideal for him.

 

Now ask yourself how many times the team got him in these type of positions? Hardly ever.

 

Watching the Fulham game live was so startling in this regard. He never got the ball to feet when he showed for it at the edge of the box or anywhere lese for that matter.

 

The ball most often played to him was from a minimum of 25 yards away and was high in the air when Hangeland was the one marking him. Bloody abomination.

 

Yeah he was huffy and for good reason too. I never understand why people think it's okay to say Owen wasn't scoring because he didn't get chances, well neither did Martins. Almost every chance he got was of his own making. Never had the luxury of getting any delivery which made his life a bit easier.

 

 

[lovejoy]

lets hope they give us our money back.

 

would be a good player in a team where he isnt relied on so much, but cant be trusted as the main man.

 

said it before, he spunked many chances to save us in the last few games, and couldnt do it.

 

 

[tmonkey]

Now ask yourself how many times the team got him in these type of positions? Hardly ever.

 

Watching the Fulham game live was so startling in this regard. He never got the ball to feet when he showed for it at the edge of the box or anywhere lese for that matter.

 

The ball most often played to him was from a minimum of 25 yards away and was high in the air when Hangeland was the one marking him. Bloody abomination.

 

Yeah he was huffy and for good reason too. I never understand why people think it's okay to say Owen wasn't scoring because he didn't get chances, well neither did Martins. Almost every chance he got was of his own making. Never had the luxury of getting any delivery which made his life a bit easier.

 

That was the main reason for him not doing it often enough imo. We've had a donkey of a midfield for the past few years, who too often have been hoofing it to Martins thinking that because he has pace in his locker he'll use it as effectively as Usain Bolt. We've all seen how rarely he'll use his pace well, so why haven't his teammates been adjusting their passing range to adapt to this flaw? Because they're shit, no-talent cloggers who only know how to launch the ball with no accuracy when under the slightest bit of pressure.

 

Looking back at Martins' tenure here, his best form for us came when he had Dyer just behind him. I quite clearly remember the affect Dyer's role change had both on the team and on Martins' performance levels - Dyer sort of forced the team to play through him, on the deck, and as a result Martins saw the ball being played into his feet more regularly in more advanced positions. And although his flaws were still present, in this system he was starting to look pretty dangerous/lethal. If a Premiership team can play him in a similar role, I think they'll be pretty pleased with the £8-10m they'll have spent on him. I say Fulham would be a good club for him because they play on the deck to a degree, and with Murphy pulling the strings just behind the striker in the same way Dyer was for us, he'd see alot more of the ball at his feet in those advanced positions.

 

The other reason why he's not been as effective as he could have been is Viduka or Owen's presence in attack. When either of them have started up front, Martins has felt the need to either drop slightly deeper, or go wider, than normal, as both Owen and Viduka when playing up front have tended to prefer that central role. This effectively takes Martins away from being found in that situation where he's right up against the centreback with the ball at his feet, and were he'll cause problems because of the aforementioned ability. On top of this, I think there's a mental/confidence issue with Martins (slightly similar to what Heskey had at Leicester/Liverpool). If he's not the main striker in the team, the main "man", his performances seem to suffer - maybe this was part of the reason why he performed better with Sibierski/Dyer?

 

All in all, he's clearly a flawed player, no denying that, but he's a useful one for certain mid table sides.