PRL Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Surely it's not the signings that are the problem. I'm sure even KK knows what good buys some of them have been. It's the selling of players that is the problem in my opinion. and if he's going to walk out over milner,smith and barton you have to question him. It's the principle here... I think he'd have willingly sold off his own bat but only once replacements had been bought and he knew they were surplus to requirements. Had we sold both on Monday our squad would be about 15 players! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Keegan is in a fantastic position now. He can say to the board, 'get rid of me and your company's f***ed'. That has been demonstrated by the public response, which as I said yesterday was vital, yet some of you mocked it. Ashley has made his fortune in retail and in that business the rule is 'give what the customer wants'. In this world, the fans are his customers and they want Keegan. Should Ashley now get rid of Keegan, he won't have a leg to stand on and I think we will see Dennis Wise and possibly Llambias packing very soon. However, Keegan who has been treat so poorly since his return will need all the guarantees he can get from Ashley and that may be the crucial point. Mike Ashley can surprisingly come out of this looking a kind of hero, and that is by getting rid of Wise and Llambias and becoming the direct line of contact to Keegan himself, backing the man with anything he demands. If Ashley caves in to Keegan we could end up with Robbie Fowler type signings (Thierry Henry?) rather than steals like Jonas. I'd be wary of that scenario if I was Ashley. I agree, Keep the scouts as they are and Wise as youth recruiter that bit seems to be working well Keegans obviously said to Llambias get me these in on Monday and the tit hasn't done it. Get a MD Keegan can trust and we're laughing bit contradictory don't you think ? you say if keegan gets his way we'd end up with fowler type signings then you want the MD to do what keegan wants. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Surely it's not the signings that are the problem. I'm sure even KK knows what good buys some of them have been. It's the selling of players that is the problem in my opinion. and if he's going to walk out over milner,smith and barton you have to question him. owen? Milner? It's not the players in question that are the problem. It's the fact that it is being taken out of his hands. Whichever way you look at it, it's very difficult to find fault with KK in this. it's quite easy actually if you look at differing scenarios. truth is though we can't fault anyone as we don't know what went on/is going on. (milner was keegans choice fremember or has he been lying to us....again?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Keegan is in a fantastic position now. He can say to the board, 'get rid of me and your company's f***ed'. That has been demonstrated by the public response, which as I said yesterday was vital, yet some of you mocked it. Ashley has made his fortune in retail and in that business the rule is 'give what the customer wants'. In this world, the fans are his customers and they want Keegan. Should Ashley now get rid of Keegan, he won't have a leg to stand on and I think we will see Dennis Wise and possibly Llambias packing very soon. However, Keegan who has been treat so poorly since his return will need all the guarantees he can get from Ashley and that may be the crucial point. Mike Ashley can surprisingly come out of this looking a kind of hero, and that is by getting rid of Wise and Llambias and becoming the direct line of contact to Keegan himself, backing the man with anything he demands. If Ashley caves in to Keegan we could end up with Robbie Fowler type signings (Thierry Henry?) rather than steals like Jonas. I'd be wary of that scenario if I was Ashley. I agree, Keep the scouts as they are and Wise as youth recruiter that bit seems to be working well Keegans obviously said to Llambias get me these in on Monday and the tit hasn't done it. Get a MD Keegan can trust and we're laughing bit contradictory don't you think ? you say if keegan gets his way we'd end up with fowler type signings then you want the MD to do what keegan wants. Eh? when did I say that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dazh Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Get a MD Keegan can trust and we're laughing Freddy Shepherd? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Get a MD Keegan can trust and we're laughing Freddy Shepherd? Maybe? Could it work? lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Keegan is in a fantastic position now. He can say to the board, 'get rid of me and your company's f***ed'. That has been demonstrated by the public response, which as I said yesterday was vital, yet some of you mocked it. Ashley has made his fortune in retail and in that business the rule is 'give what the customer wants'. In this world, the fans are his customers and they want Keegan. Should Ashley now get rid of Keegan, he won't have a leg to stand on and I think we will see Dennis Wise and possibly Llambias packing very soon. However, Keegan who has been treat so poorly since his return will need all the guarantees he can get from Ashley and that may be the crucial point. Mike Ashley can surprisingly come out of this looking a kind of hero, and that is by getting rid of Wise and Llambias and becoming the direct line of contact to Keegan himself, backing the man with anything he demands. If Ashley caves in to Keegan we could end up with Robbie Fowler type signings (Thierry Henry?) rather than steals like Jonas. I'd be wary of that scenario if I was Ashley. I agree, Keep the scouts as they are and Wise as youth recruiter that bit seems to be working well Keegans obviously said to Llambias get me these in on Monday and the tit hasn't done it. Get a MD Keegan can trust and we're laughing bit contradictory don't you think ? you say if keegan gets his way we'd end up with fowler type signings then you want the MD to do what keegan wants. Eh? when did I say that? you agreed with the previous about "if ashley caves we could end up fowler type signings instead of jonas's" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Keegan is in a fantastic position now. He can say to the board, 'get rid of me and your company's f***ed'. That has been demonstrated by the public response, which as I said yesterday was vital, yet some of you mocked it. Ashley has made his fortune in retail and in that business the rule is 'give what the customer wants'. In this world, the fans are his customers and they want Keegan. Should Ashley now get rid of Keegan, he won't have a leg to stand on and I think we will see Dennis Wise and possibly Llambias packing very soon. However, Keegan who has been treat so poorly since his return will need all the guarantees he can get from Ashley and that may be the crucial point. Mike Ashley can surprisingly come out of this looking a kind of hero, and that is by getting rid of Wise and Llambias and becoming the direct line of contact to Keegan himself, backing the man with anything he demands. If Ashley caves in to Keegan we could end up with Robbie Fowler type signings (Thierry Henry?) rather than steals like Jonas. I'd be wary of that scenario if I was Ashley. I agree, Keep the scouts as they are and Wise as youth recruiter that bit seems to be working well Keegans obviously said to Llambias get me these in on Monday and the tit hasn't done it. Get a MD Keegan can trust and we're laughing bit contradictory don't you think ? you say if keegan gets his way we'd end up with fowler type signings then you want the MD to do what keegan wants. Eh? when did I say that? you agreed with the previous about "if ashley caves we could end up fowler type signings instead of jonas's" Ooops I quoted the wrong post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bolton Zulu Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 You should go the full nine yards. Get rid of the manager and the owner. Then appoint the dream ticket. Fat Freddie and Fat Sam! Onwards and upwards! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Get a MD Keegan can trust and we're laughing Freddy Shepherd? NE5 Would go into meltdown having Ashley and Shepherd on the same board Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Get a MD Keegan can trust and we're laughing Freddy Shepherd? NE5 Would go into meltdown having Ashley and Shepherd on the same board At least the old board vs new board bollocks would end. Everyone would be happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Surely it's not the signings that are the problem. I'm sure even KK knows what good buys some of them have been. It's the selling of players that is the problem in my opinion. and if he's going to walk out over milner,smith and barton you have to question him. thats bloody ridiculous, if this is the issue he's not walking because of the quality/lack of quality of the players, he's walking because of the principle that players shouldnt be sold without his consent, i'd like to hear a convincing argument that this should be the case Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Keegan is in a fantastic position now. He can say to the board, 'get rid of me and your company's fucked'. That has been demonstrated by the public response, which as I said yesterday was vital, yet some of you mocked it. Ashley has made his fortune in retail and in that business the rule is 'give what the customer wants'. In this world, the fans are his customers and they want Keegan. Should Ashley now get rid of Keegan, he won't have a leg to stand on and I think we will see Dennis Wise and possibly Llambias packing very soon. However, Keegan who has been treat so poorly since his return will need all the guarantees he can get from Ashley and that may be the crucial point. Mike Ashley can surprisingly come out of this looking a kind of hero, and that is by getting rid of Wise and Llambias and becoming the direct line of contact to Keegan himself, backing the man with anything he demands. If Ashley caves in to Keegan we could end up with Robbie Fowler type signings (Thierry Henry?) rather than steals like Jonas. I'd be wary of that scenario if I was Ashley. Didnt Keegan sign the likes of Ginola, Beardsley, Cole, Shearer, Asprilla, Ferdinand? Good enough for me Keegan buys names. He's capable of making very good signings but he wouldn't have a clue how to go about making Wenger type signings. Hence daft decisions like Fowler and given half a chance, Thierry Henry, players who command premium prices when they are going downhill. Can you sustain a football club like that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Get a MD Keegan can trust and we're laughing Freddy Shepherd? NE5 Would go into meltdown having Ashley and Shepherd on the same board At least the old board vs new board bollocks would end. Everyone would be happy. praise jesus, i've seen the light. someone draw up a 'Freddie for MD!' banner right now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Surely it's not the signings that are the problem. I'm sure even KK knows what good buys some of them have been. It's the selling of players that is the problem in my opinion. and if he's going to walk out over milner,smith and barton you have to question him. owen? Milner? It's not the players in question that are the problem. It's the fact that it is being taken out of his hands. Whichever way you look at it, it's very difficult to find fault with KK in this. it's quite easy actually if you look at differing scenarios. truth is though we can't fault anyone as we don't know what went on/is going on. (milner was keegans choice fremember or has he been lying to us....again?) Maybe I'm too loyal to KK, but in my opinion it would be a DISASTER if he were to leave. He is 100% the man for Newcastle. If Ashley sacks him, there's no way back for Ashley. If Keegan walks, you have to question what led to him walking, and there are very few conclusions to come to other than other than lack of signings, new setup issues, selling players, undermimed in key decisions. Ashley needs to know how much KK is worth to this club, and do what he can to sort the situation. othe possibilities include he made unrealistic demands by way of players coming in,is becoming paranoid about some parts of the set up,feels he can't hack it anymore. all possibilities as we just don't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wor jackie Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 If Keegan doesn't get to decide on who comes in and who goes which appears to be the case then he shouldn't be here. He is MANAGER and that included MANAGING transfer business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Get a MD Keegan can trust and we're laughing Freddy Shepherd? NE5 Would go into meltdown having Ashley and Shepherd on the same board At least the old board vs new board bollocks would end. Everyone would be happy. Nah i'd just put up with it, don't want pie face anywhere near us. I remember Ashley was after David Dein at the beginning, that's one guy i'd be happy having as MD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Surely it's not the signings that are the problem. I'm sure even KK knows what good buys some of them have been. It's the selling of players that is the problem in my opinion. and if he's going to walk out over milner,smith and barton you have to question him. thats bloody ridiculous, if this is the issue he's not walking because of the quality/lack of quality of the players, he's walking because of the principle that players shouldnt be sold without his consent, i'd like to hear a convincing argument that this should be the case It costs the club money to keep the likes of Smith here on 60k a week. That's not a principle it's a bill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Apologies if already discussed as I am flitting on and off the board at work.... is anyone online this morning up at the training ground ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 If Keegan doesn't get to decide on who comes in and who goes which appears to be the case then he shouldn't be here. He is MANAGER and that included MANAGING transfer business. and alan smith is still at the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wor jackie Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 If Keegan doesn't get to decide on who comes in and who goes which appears to be the case then he shouldn't be here. He is MANAGER and that included MANAGING transfer business. and alan smith is still at the club Thankyou for a wonderful insight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Obviously I hope he stays, but is it really for the best? Keegan's only good at a job which his heart is devoted to - I don't believe for a single second that a compromise solution is going to be a solid enough foundation for Keegan to take this team forward. I hope I'm wrong. Furthermore, where will the whole affair leave Ashley and co? Will he be happy knowing that he is no longer "just one of the fans" and knowing that he is effectively hamstrung by what we want? As much as a compromise needs to be reached and I'd give anything for him to stay, the whole situation does not bode well for our club. Maybe in future Keegan will now be given more say over transfers, especially as he now has the bargaining hand of our backing... but by fuck the tension's not going to go away. Over to you, NUFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Surely it's not the signings that are the problem. I'm sure even KK knows what good buys some of them have been. It's the selling of players that is the problem in my opinion. and if he's going to walk out over milner,smith and barton you have to question him. owen? Milner? It's not the players in question that are the problem. It's the fact that it is being taken out of his hands. Whichever way you look at it, it's very difficult to find fault with KK in this. it's quite easy actually if you look at differing scenarios. truth is though we can't fault anyone as we don't know what went on/is going on. (milner was keegans choice fremember or has he been lying to us....again?) Maybe I'm too loyal to KK, but in my opinion it would be a DISASTER if he were to leave. He is 100% the man for Newcastle. If Ashley sacks him, there's no way back for Ashley. If Keegan walks, you have to question what led to him walking, and there are very few conclusions to come to other than other than lack of signings, new setup issues, selling players, undermimed in key decisions. Ashley needs to know how much KK is worth to this club, and do what he can to sort the situation. othe possibilities include he made unrealistic demands by way of players coming in,is becoming paranoid about some parts of the set up,feels he can't hack it anymore. all possibilities as we just don't know. According to the LMA fellow, Keegan said to him that he is worried about certain issues, which need sorting. I doubt he can't hack it anymore, and I doubt he's making unrealistic demands. Here is the link to the LMA interview: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7593683.stm certain issues is a pretty wide ranging statement. why do youdoubt he is making unrealistic demands ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRL Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Keegan is in a fantastic position now. He can say to the board, 'get rid of me and your company's fucked'. That has been demonstrated by the public response, which as I said yesterday was vital, yet some of you mocked it. Ashley has made his fortune in retail and in that business the rule is 'give what the customer wants'. In this world, the fans are his customers and they want Keegan. Should Ashley now get rid of Keegan, he won't have a leg to stand on and I think we will see Dennis Wise and possibly Llambias packing very soon. However, Keegan who has been treat so poorly since his return will need all the guarantees he can get from Ashley and that may be the crucial point. Mike Ashley can surprisingly come out of this looking a kind of hero, and that is by getting rid of Wise and Llambias and becoming the direct line of contact to Keegan himself, backing the man with anything he demands. If Ashley caves in to Keegan we could end up with Robbie Fowler type signings (Thierry Henry?) rather than steals like Jonas. I'd be wary of that scenario if I was Ashley. Didnt Keegan sign the likes of Ginola, Beardsley, Cole, Shearer, Asprilla, Ferdinand? Good enough for me Keegan buys names. He's capable of making very good signings but he wouldn't have a clue how to go about making Wenger type signings. Hence daft decisions like Fowler and given half a chance, Thierry Henry, players who command premium prices when they are going downhill. Can you sustain a football club like that? I wouldn't say people like Beresford, Lee, Albert, Venison, Bracewell, Allen, Cole et al were 'names', they were players either classed as past it or who hadn't even been picked up by the big clubs... It's such a myth to say Keegan just bought players who were already big names... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 If Keegan doesn't get to decide on who comes in and who goes which appears to be the case then he shouldn't be here. He is MANAGER and that included MANAGING transfer business. and alan smith is still at the club Thankyou for a wonderful insight. my pleasure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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