Rich Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 £100k a week for fuck all most of the time though, which is really what grinds my gears. The bloke is made of paper and is heavily reliant on good service, he's been absolutely gash in a 4-4-2 for a good while now. Very poor captain, would probably be happy enough to move on, doesn't even get in the England team now... Pretty much everything that is wrong/has been wrong with NUFC on the park is embodied by Owen. Brilliant at times, infuriatingly unreliable, heart isn't in it. Get rid. Replace him with someone on less than half the wedge who plays double the games and scores the same amount of goals a season while offering more to the team (a Bellamy sort, basically) and we simply would not miss him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Get rid. Replace him with someone on less than half the wedge who plays double the games and scores the same amount of goals a season while offering more to the team (a Bellamy sort, basically) and we simply would not miss him. That was my point a few months ago, but some people have this idea that he is irreplaceable. We should look for someone to compliment Martins. The lad got 17 goals in his first season here so clearly has the ability. Also the stat of something like 4 wins out of 30 without Martins is staggering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 He's shown he's not irreplaceable, and over-valued. Buh-Bye Michael. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 £100k a week for fuck all most of the time though, which is really what grinds my gears. The bloke is made of paper and is heavily reliant on good service, he's been absolutely gash in a 4-4-2 for a good while now. Very poor captain, would probably be happy enough to move on, doesn't even get in the England team now... Pretty much everything that is wrong/has been wrong with NUFC on the park is embodied by Owen. Brilliant at times, infuriatingly unreliable, heart isn't in it. Get rid. Replace him with someone on less than half the wedge who plays double the games and scores the same amount of goals a season while offering more to the team (a Bellamy sort, basically) and we simply would not miss him. Not much ther I'd disagree with. And I'd add that from day 1 he's done fuck all to ingratiate himself with the rank and file supporter. He doesn't care shit for us to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Now he's having secret operations? What an idiot. His plan to get a big contract as a Bosman has blown up in his face. No one is going to give him decent money now. No matter how many secret operations he tries to hide. Just a depressing player to have on the books righ now. Can't wait till he leaves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I'd only offer him a normal basic wage but offer large performance based incentives. For example, £45,000 per week basic, £15,000 playing bonus (only first team starts), £25,000 win bonus (only for games he plays in) and £20,000 goal bonus. If he was on that contract this season he'd have earned £57,000 per week (yes its still very good money but a lot less then £105,000). While it would also give him the opportunity to earn around £80,000 or more per week if he and the team did brilliantly. Just an example as I said, but this is something like what I'd like us to offer him now. Of course it won't happen.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Offer him 50k. If he doesn't want it, he can leave and see how much he gets on the open market. He's been good for us in spells, but I can't say that I'm sad to see him get screwed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I'd only offer him a normal basic wage but offer large performance based incentives. For example, £45,000 per week basic, £15,000 playing bonus (only first team starts), £25,000 win bonus (only for games he plays in) and £20,000 goal bonus. If he was on that contract this season he'd have earned £57,000 per week (yes its still very good money but a lot less then £105,000). While it would also give him the opportunity to earn around £80,000 or more per week if he and the team did brilliantly. Just an example as I said, but this is something like what I'd like us to offer him now. Of course it won't happen.. This should be the standard contract for every footballer, in my opinion. Most football clubs guarantee too much money for players and most clubs suffer when players underperform (but when they do, their compensation is never reduced). They can live on a guaranteed 20k/week with incentives that reach up to 80k/week. If you and the team plays well, you earn more money. If you don't, you don't. Simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 £100k a week for fuck all most of the time though, which is really what grinds my gears. The bloke is made of paper and is heavily reliant on good service, he's been absolutely gash in a 4-4-2 for a good while now. Very poor captain, would probably be happy enough to move on, doesn't even get in the England team now... Pretty much everything that is wrong/has been wrong with NUFC on the park is embodied by Owen. Brilliant at times, infuriatingly unreliable, heart isn't in it. Get rid. Replace him with someone on less than half the wedge who plays double the games and scores the same amount of goals a season while offering more to the team (a Bellamy sort, basically) and we simply would not miss him. I could problably have bit my lip and accepted paying the inflated wages if he showed any real happiness to be here, but you'd think we were paying hm millions in compensation, not wages to pull on a black and white shirt. It will ble like a cloud lifting from the club once he's finally out of Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocksammy Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I'd only offer him a normal basic wage but offer large performance based incentives. For example, £45,000 per week basic, £15,000 playing bonus (only first team starts), £25,000 win bonus (only for games he plays in) and £20,000 goal bonus. If he was on that contract this season he'd have earned £57,000 per week (yes its still very good money but a lot less then £105,000). While it would also give him the opportunity to earn around £80,000 or more per week if he and the team did brilliantly. Just an example as I said, but this is something like what I'd like us to offer him now. Of course it won't happen.. This should be the standard contract for every footballer, in my opinion. Most football clubs guarantee too much money for players and most clubs suffer when players underperform (but when they do, their compensation is never reduced). They can live on a guaranteed 20k/week with incentives that reach up to 80k/week. If you and the team plays well, you earn more money. If you don't, you don't. Simple. What im doing my masters on, performance based contracts. The problem is how your going to justify performances, subjectively or objectively ? Could be a step in the wrong direction with dodgey agents and dodgey chairmans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I'd only offer him a normal basic wage but offer large performance based incentives. For example, £45,000 per week basic, £15,000 playing bonus (only first team starts), £25,000 win bonus (only for games he plays in) and £20,000 goal bonus. If he was on that contract this season he'd have earned £57,000 per week (yes its still very good money but a lot less then £105,000). While it would also give him the opportunity to earn around £80,000 or more per week if he and the team did brilliantly. Just an example as I said, but this is something like what I'd like us to offer him now. Of course it won't happen.. Interestingly, this is what the owners were looking to do from the outset wasn't it? They looked to offer him a smaller deal which would be topped up with performance and appearance related incentives. Owen snubbed it and the owners were critisized for the most part. People wanted the owners to just shell out the same wage he is on now as far as I can remember. Well thank God they didn't. The owners were spot on with that one. Owen at this point must leave. Even a lesser deal doesn't seem like it will be worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Agree with just about all of this. Let him go, don't give him the captaincy back, he wanders round the pitch looking like he couldn't give a scooby most of the time, and only looks like a decent addition to the team when he scores a goal. He needs to be scoring 25-30 goals a season to be worth what we are paying him, not 10. He has the passion of a Dorothy Perkins manakin. Get in a canny striker in the summer, someone who is regularly playing and not on the physio bench all the time and we will all be saying "Michael Who?" He can't score anything when he is not on the pitch and he has spent most of his time here injured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I just hope we've withdrawn the contract he turned his nose up at a few weeks back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I just hope we've withdrawn the contract he turned his nose up at a few weeks back. I believe it had a 1st Jan 2009 deadline on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I just hope we've withdrawn the contract he turned his nose up at a few weeks back. I believe it had a 1st Jan 2009 deadline on it. Good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 my attitude towards him has changed so much recently, im actually looking forward to him going, he's a drain on the club, and a shite captain at that. laters mickey! he'll end up at everton iyam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Think I remember posting in this thread saying that Owen would have to be an idiot to sign the contract (purely from a his perspective before anyone starts) because he had nothing to lose and everything to gain by waiting. Well the boot's well and truly on the other foot now, so I hope the club act as sensibly/ruthlessly as he has and offer him a significantly reduced deal. They need to look at the whole thing dispassionately and figure out what he offers to the club without using his previous contract as a starting point, simply say this is what this player offers to the club and this is what we think is an appropriate wage for that. If they do that then it'll be significantly reduced from his current terms, but they should stick to it and if he turns it down then fine, see you later Michael. There's no way that this should become a get Michael Owen to sign at all costs situation as he neither offers enough on the pitch, nor off it, to make that justifiable. This isn't a Beckham type player we're talking about here; where he brings in so much income, whether he plays or not, that you can pay him as much as it takes and it'll still be worth it. Owen's never been in that kinda league, even at the top of his powers and certainly not now! It's also not a situation where he's irreplaceable on the pitch for the simple reason that he rarely is. If he was then it might be a different matter, but I don't think we can afford to pay him a contract based upon what he might be able to offer if he was able to remain fit as it's been so long since he was that we don't even know what that is any more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 If a player doesn't want to sign a contract at the start of their last season, it stands to reason that they're not going to sign one in the middle. They're obviously aiming to become a free agent, which in most cases will enable them to negotiate a more lucrative contract elsewhere. We should have done what any normal club would have done in the circumstances, which was sell him before the start of the season. It was only because Keegan was at war with Wise that this situation has dragged on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 If a player doesn't want to sign a contract at the start of their last season, it stands to reason that they're not going to sign one in the middle. They're obviously aiming to become a free agent, which in most cases will enable them to negotiate a more lucrative contract elsewhere. We should have done what any normal club would have done in the circumstances, which was sell him before the start of the season. It was only because Keegan, Wise and co couldn't agree on anything that this situation has dragged on. easier said than done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 We should have done what any normal club would have done in the circumstances, which was sell him before the start of the season. It was only because Keegan was at war with Wise that this situation has dragged on. KK was long gone when Owen was offered deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 We should have done what any normal club would have done in the circumstances, which was sell him before the start of the season. It was only because Keegan was at war with Wise that this situation has dragged on. KK was long gone when Owen was offered deal. He's been offered a few deals including one in the summer when Keegan was still here, if I remember correctly and if the reports were true. I'd be surprised if they let him enter the final year of his contract without offering him a deal of some description. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 We should have done what any normal club would have done in the circumstances, which was sell him before the start of the season. It was only because Keegan was at war with Wise that this situation has dragged on. KK was long gone when Owen was offered deal. dont think he was, he was offered it originally at the end of the aug transfer window. granted, it was withdrawn 2 days later when he left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I just hope we've withdrawn the contract he turned his nose up at a few weeks back. Owen must be in our top 5 of worst transfers ever and it was predictable, only the type of injuries weren't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I just hope we've withdrawn the contract he turned his nose up at a few weeks back. Owen must be in our top 5 of worst transfers ever and it was predictable, only the type of injuries weren't. That is simply bollocks. I'm not Owen's biggest fan and yes we all knew we were signing a player who would miss games but when he has played he has scored and he was the main man at the back end of last season when we were in real trouble. To put him alongside the likes of Boumsong, Marcelino, Luque, Maric, Guivarch and the like is bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I just hope we've withdrawn the contract he turned his nose up at a few weeks back. Owen must be in our top 5 of worst transfers ever and it was predictable, only the type of injuries weren't. That is simply bollocks. I'm not Owen's biggest fan and yes we all knew we were signing a player who would miss games but when he has played he has scored and he was the main man at the back end of last season when we were in real trouble. To put him alongside the likes of Boumsong, Marcelino, Luque, Maric, Guivarch and the like is bollocks. big difference is owen has cost this club £40 million in transfer fees and wages goes down as the worst the club has made imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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