West Ham agree fee in region of £15m with Liverpool for Andy Carroll

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

Fair play to the board

 

I personally believe pardew and what he says. Call me gullible but they have made exactly the correct decision.

 

The blame sits squarely with Carroll

 

You are gullible.

 

Pardews version of events seems completely plausible

[taxfree]

If we'd really wanted to keep him we would have offered him a new contract.

 

And? Give him a new contract every 3 months man when he wants a pay rise.

 

Cause he wanted a new contract this one time like? Relax man. Should've given him one.

 

2 months after his last major contract.  Not even Man Utd or Chelsea give out contracts every 2-3 months man.

 

What's to say he wanted a new contract 2 months after his last one like?

 

Pardew has said he asked for new contract, see his interview.

 

His deal with us wasn't even that good. If he had gotten this new and improved one, that would prob be the end of it.

he had gotten a new improved deal a few months ago, whats supposed to be done just hand out new contracts every few months?

 

That new deal on around £35k a week, if that isn't a decent deal then I don't know what is.

 

Then you really don't know. It's decent enough, but "good" for our best player? No way.

[Pilko]

As much as it is a risk selling Carroll now without replacing him, those comparing it to January 2009 must surely realise it is a far smaller risk. We are a maximum of three wins away from safety. We've won games without Carroll this season already.

[Guest Shaun]

NO player is bigger than the club. Our best player (Barton) is taking a pay-cut to stay at the club he loves.*

 

*reportedly

[Guest Roger Kint]

Should of offered him a new contract worth 50k a week with lots of incentives and performance related bonuses ontop.

 

What about in 12 months time if he came back for another one? Where does it end once you back down to a player once?

 

Fully expect last years accounts to be pushed out in the next 10 days showing a sizable loss with Ashley pointing to how much he has put in again to keep us alive to deflect from this transfer. Didnt they do that after relegation transfer window?

[JH]

As much as it is a risk selling Carroll now without replacing him, those comparing it to January 2009 must surely realise it is a far smaller risk. We are a maximum of three wins away from safety. We've won games without Carroll this season already.

 

And were two stupid mistakes away from a 100% successful league month without him.

[Thespence]

ALAN Pardew today hit back at Andy Carroll’s claim he was forced out of St James’s Park.

 

And Newcastle United’s manager also insisted he has been promised that Carroll’s £35m-plus fee will be reinvested in the team by owner Mike Ashley.

 

Carroll last night completed a transfer deadline day move to Liverpool after handing in a written transfer request.

 

But the striker told friends in a series of texts he didn’t want to leave Newcastle – and had been forced out because the United “wanted the money”.

 

However, Pardew says Carroll – who signed a new long-term contract in October – approached him about a new contract after training, and handed a transfer request in when the club baulked at renegotiating his deal so soon after it was signed.

 

Asked about Carroll’s texts, Pardew told the Gazette: “What can I say? We didn’t force anybody to leave.

 

“I disagree with that point. He had a contract here for five years, and at some point it would get renewed, but for him to sign in October and it get renewed in January – where would it stop?

 

“Personally, I’m disappointed. He’s a lovely lad, and I really like him, but it was his decision, and you can’t change that.

 

“Was this about football? That’s what you have to ask. I don’t think it was.”

 

Liverpool moved for Carroll after Chelsea hardened their interest in Fernando Torres, who last night joined Chelsea in a British-record £48m deal.

 

Pardew went on: “We turned down a big offer, and they came back with a second big offer.

 

“We were having a discussion about what we were going to do with that offer when Andy requested to see me.

 

“I went to see Andy, and face to face we had a conversation about him wanting a new contract, even though he signed on in October, and (he said) if he didn’t get that contract, he wanted go.

 

“I asked him what he wanted, and I went to the board. We had a discussion about what the ramifications would be for the whole club.

 

“We took the view, with him signing a contract in October, that this would cause us all sorts of problems.

 

“We decided that we needed the conversation confirmed, and he put in a transfer request, which he did.

 

“He spoke to his agent, and between them they put the request in. We decided with the size of the offer, and what it meant to us, that we would accept.”

 

Pardew – who “guaranteed” Carroll wouldn’t be sold after succeeding Chris Hughton in December – was unable to bring in a replacement given the last-minute nature of the deal, which was confirmed less than an hour before transfer-window deadline.

 

With Wayne Routledge and Xisco having left on loan, and only Stephen Ireland having signed, Pardew’s squad is significantly weaker than it was a month ago.

 

However, Pardew has taken Ashley’s assurances that the fee will be spent on players in the summer, and beyond, at face value.

 

“We weren’t expecting him to go, so we weren’t in a position to replace him,” added Pardew.

 

“One thing I can guarantee, having spoke to Mike Ashley, is that every penny will go back into the club. Mike’s assured me he won’t take a penny out of the transfer.”

 

And asked about his repeated assurances that Carroll wouldn’t be sold, Pardew said: “We never put him up for sale – we fended off a bid from another Premiership club.

 

“But no club’s about one player. We’re absolutely gutted that he’s gone. It’s disappointing, but we’re not in a financial position like Liverpool.”

 

 

This is what i thought the whole time.

 

Carroll is basically stating that he was forced out as no footballer is going to turn down such a huge increase in wages. We made no attempt whatsoever to negotiate an increase in his, regardless of much he is now being valued & he asked to leave.

 

I still think we could have done better. We wanted the money.

 

If any player uses a transfer to get more money out of us, then it shows there real motivation.

 

If you instantly find out your worth the 8th highest transfer fee of all time I reckon your going to ask for a pay rise.

[Cunning_Linguist]

Carroll has got the Number 9 Shirt for the Liverscum

[BrettNUFC]

Can't believe people are actually saying we should have accepted his demands and gave him a new contract after he only recently signed a bigger one. If he wasn't happy with his pay he should have asked for more before he signed it. What if we gave him this new contract, he scored another 10 goals this season, Liverpool bid 40 mil in the summer would he come back and ask for an even bigger contract? It would be endless. Not only that how would the other players around him feel if AC kept getting offered these bumper contracts every transfer deadline? Tiote, Enrique, Colo, Barton, would they all form a queue and do exactly the same? We would just be a laughing stock because the players would end up being bigger than the club. The club were 110% spot on when they said we arent offering you that new deal a few months after you signed a 5 year contract. Earn your pay rise on the pitch not off it because clubs have bid for you and going to offer you more money. The only massive dissapointment for me is this as all happened at a time when we were in no sort of position to bring any sort of quality which we would have done if we just sold him July 1st. But there is life after Andy Carroll we are by no means a one man team!

[mrmojorisin75]

If you instantly find out your worth the 8th highest transfer fee of all time I reckon your going to ask for a pay rise.

big fucking time

[Guest Shaun]

ALAN Pardew today hit back at Andy Carroll’s claim he was forced out of St James’s Park.

 

And Newcastle United’s manager also insisted he has been promised that Carroll’s £35m-plus fee will be reinvested in the team by owner Mike Ashley.

 

Carroll last night completed a transfer deadline day move to Liverpool after handing in a written transfer request.

 

But the striker told friends in a series of texts he didn’t want to leave Newcastle – and had been forced out because the United “wanted the money”.

 

However, Pardew says Carroll – who signed a new long-term contract in October – approached him about a new contract after training, and handed a transfer request in when the club baulked at renegotiating his deal so soon after it was signed.

 

Asked about Carroll’s texts, Pardew told the Gazette: “What can I say? We didn’t force anybody to leave.

 

“I disagree with that point. He had a contract here for five years, and at some point it would get renewed, but for him to sign in October and it get renewed in January – where would it stop?

 

“Personally, I’m disappointed. He’s a lovely lad, and I really like him, but it was his decision, and you can’t change that.

 

“Was this about football? That’s what you have to ask. I don’t think it was.”

 

Liverpool moved for Carroll after Chelsea hardened their interest in Fernando Torres, who last night joined Chelsea in a British-record £48m deal.

 

Pardew went on: “We turned down a big offer, and they came back with a second big offer.

 

“We were having a discussion about what we were going to do with that offer when Andy requested to see me.

 

“I went to see Andy, and face to face we had a conversation about him wanting a new contract, even though he signed on in October, and (he said) if he didn’t get that contract, he wanted go.

 

“I asked him what he wanted, and I went to the board. We had a discussion about what the ramifications would be for the whole club.

 

“We took the view, with him signing a contract in October, that this would cause us all sorts of problems.

 

“We decided that we needed the conversation confirmed, and he put in a transfer request, which he did.

 

“He spoke to his agent, and between them they put the request in. We decided with the size of the offer, and what it meant to us, that we would accept.”

 

Pardew – who “guaranteed” Carroll wouldn’t be sold after succeeding Chris Hughton in December – was unable to bring in a replacement given the last-minute nature of the deal, which was confirmed less than an hour before transfer-window deadline.

 

With Wayne Routledge and Xisco having left on loan, and only Stephen Ireland having signed, Pardew’s squad is significantly weaker than it was a month ago.

 

However, Pardew has taken Ashley’s assurances that the fee will be spent on players in the summer, and beyond, at face value.

 

“We weren’t expecting him to go, so we weren’t in a position to replace him,” added Pardew.

 

“One thing I can guarantee, having spoke to Mike Ashley, is that every penny will go back into the club. Mike’s assured me he won’t take a penny out of the transfer.”

 

And asked about his repeated assurances that Carroll wouldn’t be sold, Pardew said: “We never put him up for sale – we fended off a bid from another Premiership club.

 

“But no club’s about one player. We’re absolutely gutted that he’s gone. It’s disappointing, but we’re not in a financial position like Liverpool.”

 

 

This is what i thought the whole time.

 

Carroll is basically stating that he was forced out as no footballer is going to turn down such a huge increase in wages. We made no attempt whatsoever to negotiate an increase in his, regardless of much he is now being valued & he asked to leave.

 

I still think we could have done better. We wanted the money.

 

If any player uses a transfer to get more money out of us, then it shows there real motivation.

 

If you instantly find out your worth the 8th highest transfer fee of all time I reckon your going to ask for a pay rise.

Only if you don't give two shits about the club you "love"

[Gallowgate Toon]

Why should anyone believe anyone over anything in football, pretty much everyone is dishonest in this industry and Carroll has quite a track record of being a bit of a pleb, he will try and cover his own back in this as will the club, we'll never really know the whole truth so it's pointless debating what really happened.

 

I'm glad we took the money tbh the lad is hugely overrated and we could buy 2-3 far superior players with that cash. It's even more ridiculous when you consider we bought Ben Arfa for a 7th of what we sold Carroll and he has a track record of being a better player.

 

Now we just need to reinvest and I think we will, we could quite easily spend 20m on a really decent striker in the summer and have a fair bit left over to get a couple Tiote-esque players (in terms of price not position) coming in as well, as long as we survive, which we will imo, then this will be a bigger step forward for the club.

[Cunning_Linguist]

Why should anyone believe anyone over anything in football, pretty much everyone is dishonest in this industry and Carroll has quite a track record of being a bit of a pleb, he will try and cover his own back in this as will the club, we'll never really know the whole truth so it's pointless debating what really happened.

 

I'm glad we took the money tbh the lad is hugely overrated and we could buy 2-3 far superior players with that cash. It's even more ridiculous when you consider we bought Ben Arfa for a 7th of what we sold Carroll and he has a track record of being a better player.

 

Now we just need to reinvest and I think we will, we could quite easily spend 20m on a really decent striker in the summer and have a fair bit left over to get a couple Tiote-esque players (in terms of price not position) coming in as well, as long as we survive, which we will imo, then this will be a bigger step forward for the club.

 

[Wallace]

Well Ashley's strategy of Divide and Conquer is working again with everyone bickering with each other.

 

Funny how all of our better players end up leaving under a cloud.

 

I am angered and sad that Caroll has gone but don't blame him for it as I am sure the way it panned out yesterday was all engineered by the club.

 

Anyway, I have hugely enjoyed watching this lad progress over the last 5 or so years - from watching him playing in the reserves at Kingston Park and standing out head and shoulders above others on the pitch - wondering whether it was just his height at that age that made him stand out and how would he be when others caught up with him.

 

One of the thrills for me in this last year has been to see one of our own local players make that step up and to look like he was going to be a seriously good player.  Fancy that - Newcastle actually developing a top player for a change - he even made his England debut whilst playing for us.  Maybe that's why this hurts - it is not like we have been churning them out over the years.

 

I looked forward to going to games to see if he would score, how he would play, would he do something better than previously and how would he perform against the top defenders.  I love Jose and Colo as well but you don't go to watch football to watch great defensive play but for goals and creative play.  Pick the one player out of the team that you would pay to see and that was Carroll for me.  The others are good players, a good team but you also want that something extra - the return of Ben Arfa can not come quick enough now.

 

And with regards to replacements for Carroll, I hope we are doing to do some serious scouting in the next few months.  Other clubs have really been struggling to find strikers.  Of course there may be more available in the Summer but even average strikers will want a bigger salary that Carroll was on and clubs will want a lot more money as they will think we are loaded.  Even Championship strikers are overpriced and Ashley is supposed to have regretted agreeing the the signing of Best.  If we are paying up front then that reduces our options even more.  To me that means looking abroad for players who are desperate to come to the Premier League and therein lies another risk.  We have had too many bad experiences with foreign strikers who have just not been good enough.

 

I wish Carroll well and hope he goes on to become the striker he can be.  I've always said it is up to him how good he becomes.  He is probably at a better club now to make that happen.

[Rebellious]

Pardew said it would cause all sorts of problems if he got a better contract. I`m sure there are certain players at the club that feel they deserve more wages than Carroll. Who knows what Ben Arfa accepted etc.

[Thespence]

ALAN Pardew today hit back at Andy Carroll’s claim he was forced out of St James’s Park.

 

And Newcastle United’s manager also insisted he has been promised that Carroll’s £35m-plus fee will be reinvested in the team by owner Mike Ashley.

 

Carroll last night completed a transfer deadline day move to Liverpool after handing in a written transfer request.

 

But the striker told friends in a series of texts he didn’t want to leave Newcastle – and had been forced out because the United “wanted the money”.

 

However, Pardew says Carroll – who signed a new long-term contract in October – approached him about a new contract after training, and handed a transfer request in when the club baulked at renegotiating his deal so soon after it was signed.

 

Asked about Carroll’s texts, Pardew told the Gazette: “What can I say? We didn’t force anybody to leave.

 

“I disagree with that point. He had a contract here for five years, and at some point it would get renewed, but for him to sign in October and it get renewed in January – where would it stop?

 

“Personally, I’m disappointed. He’s a lovely lad, and I really like him, but it was his decision, and you can’t change that.

 

“Was this about football? That’s what you have to ask. I don’t think it was.”

 

Liverpool moved for Carroll after Chelsea hardened their interest in Fernando Torres, who last night joined Chelsea in a British-record £48m deal.

 

Pardew went on: “We turned down a big offer, and they came back with a second big offer.

 

“We were having a discussion about what we were going to do with that offer when Andy requested to see me.

 

“I went to see Andy, and face to face we had a conversation about him wanting a new contract, even though he signed on in October, and (he said) if he didn’t get that contract, he wanted go.

 

“I asked him what he wanted, and I went to the board. We had a discussion about what the ramifications would be for the whole club.

 

“We took the view, with him signing a contract in October, that this would cause us all sorts of problems.

 

“We decided that we needed the conversation confirmed, and he put in a transfer request, which he did.

 

“He spoke to his agent, and between them they put the request in. We decided with the size of the offer, and what it meant to us, that we would accept.”

 

Pardew – who “guaranteed” Carroll wouldn’t be sold after succeeding Chris Hughton in December – was unable to bring in a replacement given the last-minute nature of the deal, which was confirmed less than an hour before transfer-window deadline.

 

With Wayne Routledge and Xisco having left on loan, and only Stephen Ireland having signed, Pardew’s squad is significantly weaker than it was a month ago.

 

However, Pardew has taken Ashley’s assurances that the fee will be spent on players in the summer, and beyond, at face value.

 

“We weren’t expecting him to go, so we weren’t in a position to replace him,” added Pardew.

 

“One thing I can guarantee, having spoke to Mike Ashley, is that every penny will go back into the club. Mike’s assured me he won’t take a penny out of the transfer.”

 

And asked about his repeated assurances that Carroll wouldn’t be sold, Pardew said: “We never put him up for sale – we fended off a bid from another Premiership club.

 

“But no club’s about one player. We’re absolutely gutted that he’s gone. It’s disappointing, but we’re not in a financial position like Liverpool.”

 

 

This is what i thought the whole time.

 

Carroll is basically stating that he was forced out as no footballer is going to turn down such a huge increase in wages. We made no attempt whatsoever to negotiate an increase in his, regardless of much he is now being valued & he asked to leave.

 

I still think we could have done better. We wanted the money.

 

If any player uses a transfer to get more money out of us, then it shows there real motivation.

 

If you instantly find out your worth the 8th highest transfer fee of all time I reckon your going to ask for a pay rise.

Only if you don't give two shits about the club you "love"

 

Andy Carroll loves Andy Carroll more than NUFC. What a shocker!!!

[taxfree]

 

I'm glad we took the money tbh the lad is hugely overrated and we could buy 2-3 far superior players with that cash.

 

 

Bullshit tbh. With mr. Pardew as our man in charge of the buying we'll end up with Bothroyd, Beckham and SWP.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

ALAN Pardew today hit back at Andy Carroll’s claim he was forced out of St James’s Park.

 

And Newcastle United’s manager also insisted he has been promised that Carroll’s £35m-plus fee will be reinvested in the team by owner Mike Ashley.

 

Carroll last night completed a transfer deadline day move to Liverpool after handing in a written transfer request.

 

But the striker told friends in a series of texts he didn’t want to leave Newcastle – and had been forced out because the United “wanted the money”.

 

However, Pardew says Carroll – who signed a new long-term contract in October – approached him about a new contract after training, and handed a transfer request in when the club baulked at renegotiating his deal so soon after it was signed.

 

Asked about Carroll’s texts, Pardew told the Gazette: “What can I say? We didn’t force anybody to leave.

 

“I disagree with that point. He had a contract here for five years, and at some point it would get renewed, but for him to sign in October and it get renewed in January – where would it stop?

 

“Personally, I’m disappointed. He’s a lovely lad, and I really like him, but it was his decision, and you can’t change that.

 

“Was this about football? That’s what you have to ask. I don’t think it was.”

 

Liverpool moved for Carroll after Chelsea hardened their interest in Fernando Torres, who last night joined Chelsea in a British-record £48m deal.

 

Pardew went on: “We turned down a big offer, and they came back with a second big offer.

 

“We were having a discussion about what we were going to do with that offer when Andy requested to see me.

 

“I went to see Andy, and face to face we had a conversation about him wanting a new contract, even though he signed on in October, and (he said) if he didn’t get that contract, he wanted go.

 

“I asked him what he wanted, and I went to the board. We had a discussion about what the ramifications would be for the whole club.

 

“We took the view, with him signing a contract in October, that this would cause us all sorts of problems.

 

“We decided that we needed the conversation confirmed, and he put in a transfer request, which he did.

 

“He spoke to his agent, and between them they put the request in. We decided with the size of the offer, and what it meant to us, that we would accept.”

 

Pardew – who “guaranteed” Carroll wouldn’t be sold after succeeding Chris Hughton in December – was unable to bring in a replacement given the last-minute nature of the deal, which was confirmed less than an hour before transfer-window deadline.

 

With Wayne Routledge and Xisco having left on loan, and only Stephen Ireland having signed, Pardew’s squad is significantly weaker than it was a month ago.

 

However, Pardew has taken Ashley’s assurances that the fee will be spent on players in the summer, and beyond, at face value.

 

“We weren’t expecting him to go, so we weren’t in a position to replace him,” added Pardew.

 

“One thing I can guarantee, having spoke to Mike Ashley, is that every penny will go back into the club. Mike’s assured me he won’t take a penny out of the transfer.”

 

And asked about his repeated assurances that Carroll wouldn’t be sold, Pardew said: “We never put him up for sale – we fended off a bid from another Premiership club.

 

“But no club’s about one player. We’re absolutely gutted that he’s gone. It’s disappointing, but we’re not in a financial position like Liverpool.”

 

 

bollocks.

 

Pardew is just spouting shite in support of MA and DL as their yes man and puppet.

 

We'll not see that full £35m reinvested in the summer.  If we do somehow spunk £35m, expect to see extra brought in from further sales.

[Dave]

What Pardew says there stacks up tbh.

[mrmojorisin75]

If he wasn't happy with his pay he should have asked for more before he signed it.

 

insane opinion, football is a sport and is heavily driven by market forces

 

in the space of a year carroll went from nothing, to doing well in the championship, to scoring and shining in the premiership (was handed a new deal due to this), to an england cap, market forces then drove his value up to the 8th highest of all time and he was replacing a striker being paid 175,000 a week at liverpool (allegedly)

 

he is an absolute cunt from a fans perspective for going for the money but fuck me man, you can't say he should have asked for more in november as he never knew this shit would come reigning down

[mrmojorisin75]

What Pardew says there stacks up tbh.

all except the money being reinvested

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

What Pardew says there stacks up tbh.

[Dave]

Btw if you try to type 'Pardew' on a Sony Ericsson it stops you at 'raped'. lol

[Thespence]

I`m sure there are certain players at the club that feel they deserve more wages than Carroll

 

Who?

 

[simonsays]

Why should anyone believe anyone over anything in football, pretty much everyone is dishonest in this industry and Carroll has quite a track record of being a bit of a pleb, he will try and cover his own back in this as will the club, we'll never really know the whole truth so it's pointless debating what really happened.

 

I'm glad we took the money tbh the lad is hugely overrated and we could buy 2-3 far superior players with that cash. It's even more ridiculous when you consider we bought Ben Arfa for a 7th of what we sold Carroll and he has a track record of being a better player.

 

Now we just need to reinvest and I think we will, we could quite easily spend 20m on a really decent striker in the summer and have a fair bit left over to get a couple Tiote-esque players (in terms of price not position) coming in as well, as long as we survive, which we will imo, then this will be a bigger step forward for the club.

 

I agree.  I'm not sure why everyone has to side with either Carroll or Ashley - can't we just say that they are all c**ts and should all take a portion of the blame and move on.  As long as we re-invest in the summer I'll be reasonably happy.