Dr.Spaceman Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Whilst Shearer was slow post injury he was still one of the best pure strikers of a ball I have ever seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Whilst Shearer was slow post injury he was still one of the best pure strikers of a ball I have ever seen. I really do believe if he wasn't out for 2 seasons and having his older attributes he could have easily scored anohter 50 goals for us, and maybe we would have won some silverware Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 If we were offered £40m for him, we'd be daft not to take it tbh. I wouldn't want us to because i'd like to see him stay at Newcastle for a long time, but we could completely reshape our squad with that sort of money and progress more than we could if we kept him. it would go straight to Ashleys back pocket. There's always one.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 It might be inaccurate (probably) but the sentiment is correct. The money certainly wouldn't all go back into the team. Anyway: I wouldn't sell him for any money tbh. That's certainly not because I think he's that good, more that we wouldn't be able to replace him (for a variety of reasons). And it would be a pathetic and unforgivable lack of ambition that as soon as we get ourselves a good young player we're selling him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 I'm sure he hasn't hit his peak value anyway. If we sell him now it would be a disgrace (not that we are). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Time is on both the club and Carroll's side. Carroll can only improve, and you'd think the same could be said of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dogbeak Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Carroll can only improve, and you'd think the same could be said of the club. both carroll and the club could get worse over the course of time, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Carroll can only improve, and you'd think the same could be said of the club. both carroll and the club could get worse over the course of time, tbh. At least we have covered both eventualities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Carroll can only improve, and you'd think the same could be said of the club. both carroll and the club could get worse over the course of time, tbh. Risk worth taking with a talent like his. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 It might be inaccurate (probably) but the sentiment is correct. The money certainly wouldn't all go back into the team. Hate to get into this again like but while we've been in the Premiership every penny of transfers has always gone back into the team. In future maybe it wouldn't, always a possibility, but I wouldn't assume that'd be the case. I agree we shouldn't sell him under normal circumstances, then again the current transfer market isn't normal (Milner going for £20m+ FFS ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Go on then, who did we spend the £12m from the Milner sale on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 We already spent over £12m before we sold Milner. Look at the transfers in vs transfers out during our time in the Premiership under Ashley, we've broken even every year, I doubt that's a coincidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 So are you saying we needed to sell Milner? I know we're not discussing the exact same thing, but if it's the case then it hardly helps to destroy the theory that Ashley would sell any of our players if needs be. I wonder who's going in January to pay for Tiote et al? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 So are you saying we needed to sell Milner? I know we're not discussing the exact same thing, but if it's the case then it hardly helps to destroy the theory that Ashley would sell any of our players if needs be. Yeah but milner was pretty mediocre for us anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 So are you saying we needed to sell Milner? I know we're not discussing the exact same thing, but if it's the case then it hardly helps to destroy the theory that Ashley would sell any of our players if needs be. Yeah but milner was pretty mediocre for us anyway. Totally agree. I do appreciate where Teasy is coming from but I still don't think the type of money Carroll would surely attract would go directly into the remaining team. Perhaps some of it. The timing is perhaps more important that anything - the deals we did in January 2009 were disasterous and I wouldn't put it past Ashley to do something like that again I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Go on then, who did we spend the £12m from the Milner sale on? Nolan and Ryan Taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 We spent nothing on Raylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Xisco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 C'mon man, Ashley's profited from nearly every transfer window since he's been here, if not them all. To think that selling Andy Carroll would result it big reinvestment is silly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 C'mon man, Ashley's profited from nearly every transfer window since he's been here, if not them all. To think that selling Andy Carroll would result it big reinvestment is silly. Has he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 So are you saying we needed to sell Milner? I know we're not discussing the exact same thing, but if it's the case then it hardly helps to destroy the theory that Ashley would sell any of our players if needs be. I wonder who's going in January to pay for Tiote et al? I think Ashley's plan on transfers, at least for the last few years, has been to break even while in the Premiership. Wether that means we absolutely had to sell Milner, I don't know, I don't think its that simple. But it seems likely they would have been looking to even things up somewhere (obviously we could have not bought Nolan to help even things up). Would Ashley sell any of our players if needs be? Lets just say IF we went out and spent £30m on players I'd be worried about Carroll being sacrified to bring that money back in, as far as past history goes anyway Also bare in mind that during the seasons we've broken even on transfers we lost significant amounts of money overall and Ashley had to subsidise that. Hopefully with the club now in better shape financially we can start to do a bit better then breaking even on transfers. Yes I'm being optimistic, I could be even more optimistic and say that in January we'll sell Smith for the exact same amount we paid for Tiote but that would just be silly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 C'mon man, Ashley's profited from nearly every transfer window since he's been here, if not them all. To think that selling Andy Carroll would result it big reinvestment is silly. Has he? £8m a month or something, fucking mental! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 C'mon man, Ashley's profited from nearly every transfer window since he's been here, if not them all. He hasn't like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 If we sold Carroll for silly money then you can guarantee some of it would go back into the club, and not in the form of transfers. Some of it would go to transfers of course but I cant see all of it just being spent again straight away. All this talk of it lining Ashley's pockets is just stupid though and you can guarantee if we sold Carroll for £25 million and didn't then spend that amount in the window, people would be screaming about Ashley pocketing some of it. For what its worth I don't think we should sell Carroll at all. We have to show some ambition to try and get back to where we used to be and selling our best players isnt how we will get there. The thought of £30 or £40 million is brilliant as it would help us build a better squad than we have now, but is it really worth selling Carroll when we could easily keep him and slowly build the same kind of squad? We wont even get close to those amounts anyway, we would be lucky to get even £25 million probably. As for Shearer's record, I think Carroll has a long way to go. Shearer was a different kind of player not just with his ability but with his personality. He wanted to stay here and be the hero, he wanted to try and win things with his home town club and the lure of other, bigger clubs just didn't interest him. I'm not sure the same can be said about a young player in todays game, especially when we are a completely different side to the one Shearer joined. Shearer played in a side that was competing at the top every now and then and playing in Europe regularly. The lure of medals and the likes of City, Man Utd etc might be too much for someone like Carroll playing for a side that is only aiming to survive relegation (at the moment anyway). It also remains to be seen just how good Carroll can be as the league has seen its fair share of 1 season wonders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 So are you saying we needed to sell Milner? I know we're not discussing the exact same thing, but if it's the case then it hardly helps to destroy the theory that Ashley would sell any of our players if needs be. Yeah but milner was pretty mediocre for us anyway. His price had went up dramatically during his time with us so he was hardly mediocre but if you have convinced yourself that fairplay to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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