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West Ham agree fee in region of £15m with Liverpool for Andy Carroll


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Guest Wally_McFool

Fat Mike is rather good at selling the clubs assets on transfer deadline day and (conveniently) not giving himself time to get  quality replacements in, isn't he!

He simply just had to say "no mike, I don't won't to leave". Handing in a transfer request makes absolutely no sense what so ever if he was going to be sold anyway.

 

Mike could quite easily have said, No, Andrew, I will not allow you to leave, your transfer request is refused.

This is not unheard of in the world of professional football.

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Gary speed had a bid accepted for him behind his manager's back. If a bid is accepted for you, you go. Simple as. It's a pride thing, it's a money thing. The only time I've seen a player reject a chance to move to a better club was kaka, and that was because he was uncertain about city.

 

We only accepted the bid after Carroll decided he wanted to go.

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Transfer request was pr for Ashley. Carroll agreed for £££ and because at that point he had probably made up his mind.

 

Carroll handing in a transfer request will have cost him a fortune, he hasn't done that for PR.

 

Oh how I wished Gilett was still at Liverpool with Woy pulling the strings.Having said that,I think we have a great deal here but only if it is re-invested,and that is where my enthusiasm is somewhat blighted.

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Mick, Ashley could easily have paid him what he was going to get. It is money well spent by Ashley, judging by the reaction on here. Damn good PR.

 

As if Ashley would pay money so the fans wouldn't hate him. Most fucking hate him anyway man :lol:

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Going back to indi's point before, why does suddenly care about not facing a backlash from the fans? It didn't stop him with Pardew or Hughton, so why now?

 

Carroll handed in a transfer request, we accepted a bid, he left. End of.

 

Exactly and for no other reason than he wants 3 times his current wage.

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#Carroll wanted to stay at #NUFC. Handed in request after leaked they would sell him for £35m. Worth remembering B4 making JUDAS banners

 

from danwalkerbbc

 

So why was a £35m bid rejected then..

 

It wasnt. They released that we rejected their 2nd offer & gave no details on what that was, we may well have accepted a 3rd by that point & been calming a backlash. Its common sense.

 

Common sense?, really? ???  Its common sense to say that we hadn't rejected a bid, because we probably, maybe, perhaps had accepted a third bid, so Carroll then asked to leave instead of just leaving and picking up his part of the transfer?  That's common sense now?

 

You've tangled up your own thoughts there.

 

Im purely saying that we simply released that we'd turned down a 2nd offer. The idea that this meant a deal was off the table or hadnt already been agreed since that point is all assumptions. David craig was making a point of saying Ashley was resisting selling as much as he could, as if he was "trying his best" & a further way to back this up would be to leak that we'd turned down 2 offers in a row. The point of all of this is to calm a backlash from fans aggravated that we'd given away our best player easily.

 

They were just trying to suggest everywhere that we were trying hard to keep him, which is what you're being lead to think.

 

The fact that we made no attempt to take any deal off the table & were quiet all day suggests the opposite.

 

I'm mixing up my thoughts?  Mate I was just emphasising how mixed up your post was.  Also yet again what you're saying doesn't fit in with the transfer request.  We might already have accepted a third bid before announcing that we'd refused the second bid?, so then why the transfer request?  If we'd accepted a bid why the fuck would Carroll then put in a transfer request?  If he put it in before the third bid.. if there even was one, then again it comes back to us rejected a bid, him handing in a request, then us accepted the next bid.  Again Carroll asked to leave after we rejected a bid.

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I reckon this is 50-50 Ashley & Carroll btw.

 

Carroll praying we'd accept a move so he could go before handing in the transfer request.

Ashley playing "chicken" with Spurs & Liverpool praying that Carroll would request a transfer so he could sell.

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All these conspiracy theories are hilarious.

 

Andy fancies himself a top player who should be earning top money at a top club. He became aware that Liverpool were in for him and put in a transfer request. It's as simple as that.

 

And why not? The only people that Carroll should be loyal to are himself and his family. If they can ultimately have a better life because he made this move, then all the power to him. Nobody on here would act any differently. Time to move on.

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Tiote and Enrique will be agitating for moves sooner rather than later. Today sends out a hugely negative message to our current playing staff that the club has very little ambition in chasing success.

 

Exactly. The circumstances don't even matter.

 

indeed. all about the bigger picture. Given, N'Zogbia, Milner, Bassong, Carroll. the pattern has now been set. I think it is reasonable to guess that this time next year or even in the summer we will be having this same conversation about someone like Tiote or Enrique. They'll have caught the eye of a bigger club, we'll have negotiated hard for a big fee, and maybe they'll have put in a transfer request to escape an unambitious club with haphazard ownership. and the same cretins will come out and defend ashley and say "But Tiote/Enrique/Barton/Ben Arfa requested a transfer."

 

Do i blame Ashley for taking £35m rising to £40m? No, it's a great offer.

Do i blame Carroll for putting in a request and moving? No, it's a great opportunity for him and we're not exactly an enticing proposition.

 

However that shouldn't obscure the fact that under Ashley's tenure he's created a club that players like carroll want to escape from at the first sign of a better offer.

 

And let's be honest here, had the club not wanted to sell Carroll, then no matter what Carroll wants, he would've been going nowhere.

 

The club negotiated with liverpool all day, cancelled press conferences and so on - it seems fair to assume that they spent that time negotiating for the best price, knocking back the lower bids saying "not good enough" rather than"not for sale". some people are acting as if the only reason Carroll is going to Liverpool is because he put a transfer request in which seems, frankly, deluded. that happening just rubber stamped or speeded up the process, and gave the club a convenient excuse to take some heat off them.

 

As always, good post.

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