West Ham agree fee in region of £15m with Liverpool for Andy Carroll

[Thespence]

IT'S NOT A RIDICULOUS FEE, WHEN OUR TACTICS ARE BASED AROUND HIM AND THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT. How many f***ing times,

 

Stop posting in caps lock please, grow up.

 

And yes it is a ridiculous fee. Blackpools were willing to let Charlie Adams go for £15 million I heard. He's more vital to that team than Carroll was to us.

£36 million is ridiculous fee for a player who has proven himself in the top tier for only 6 months.

 

I'm still gutted like but for that money you could buy two good strikers who will make us a better and probably one or two young players who can develop.

 

If growing up is ignoring Ashley's history, then I'd rather stay young thanks.

 

No, growing up is not posting in caps lock to get everyones attention. Feels like your yelling ffs.

 

And no one is ignoring his history, but there are two scenarios:

 

1. Ashleys PR-trick and Carroll was forced, but he also left leaving both considered twats.

2. Media has been right about it all and Carroll is a t***.

 

In the end Carroll is a t*** anyways for leaving the club. Ashley doesn't decide where he goes, he can only say yes or no and then its up to the player to decide.

 

I was shouting, sometimes it feels like it's needed to get through to people so willing to place all of the blame at anyone but Ashley.

 

No one is saying ashley isn't to blame at all, fact is the player had as much power in the whole deal as the club.  So they are both to blame.

ashley can be blamed for accepting a fee he  thought was too good to turn down (my guess is the majority of the country agree with him), carroll can be blamed for putting in a transfer request when he could easily have said no. (to the request, not necessarily the move)

 

Ashley could easily have said no to the bid & no to the transfer request.

 

£35M + is a hell lot of money though.  All of my mates non newcastle friends have said it's a ridiculous amount of money which can't be ignored.  This club is still heavily in debt as well.

 

Most would say the eighth most expensive deal ever. But I was saying Ashley could have knocked it on the head if he wanted but he did'nt  a bit like Quinn when saw the wedge & collected.

[9]

who knows what to belive, is Carroll really that soft he was bullied into leaving within a matter of hours?  the whole thing makes no sense no matter which way you look at it. Shearers comments make me think he knows the truth also

[JH]

Like I said earlier, and like is reiterated in Caulkin's tweet, Mike Ashley may well have thrown the ball in the air, but Carroll was the one that hit it.

[Guest neesy111]

IT'S NOT A RIDICULOUS FEE, WHEN OUR TACTICS ARE BASED AROUND HIM AND THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT. How many f***ing times,

 

Stop posting in caps lock please, grow up.

 

And yes it is a ridiculous fee. Blackpools were willing to let Charlie Adams go for £15 million I heard. He's more vital to that team than Carroll was to us.

£36 million is ridiculous fee for a player who has proven himself in the top tier for only 6 months.

 

I'm still gutted like but for that money you could buy two good strikers who will make us a better and probably one or two young players who can develop.

 

If growing up is ignoring Ashley's history, then I'd rather stay young thanks.

 

No, growing up is not posting in caps lock to get everyones attention. Feels like your yelling ffs.

 

And no one is ignoring his history, but there are two scenarios:

 

1. Ashleys PR-trick and Carroll was forced, but he also left leaving both considered twats.

2. Media has been right about it all and Carroll is a t***.

 

In the end Carroll is a t*** anyways for leaving the club. Ashley doesn't decide where he goes, he can only say yes or no and then its up to the player to decide.

 

I was shouting, sometimes it feels like it's needed to get through to people so willing to place all of the blame at anyone but Ashley.

 

No one is saying ashley isn't to blame at all, fact is the player had as much power in the whole deal as the club.  So they are both to blame.

ashley can be blamed for accepting a fee he  thought was too good to turn down (my guess is the majority of the country agree with him), carroll can be blamed for putting in a transfer request when he could easily have said no. (to the request, not necessarily the move)

 

Exactly, also Carroll imo saw the $$$$$ signs coming.  He's apparently got to pay 30% of his earnings to his ex-misus as well, which hardly helps him financially.

 

I thought you were waiting to hear what Carroll had to say before making a judgement?

 

Final judgement, my view is that soon as Carroll knew of a large bid he saw the $$$$$ signs of the contract that would come with that.  If he then says it wasn't true in public and denies the transfer request in public with no comment from the club then I'll believe his view of events.  Until that happens, then some cheap text messages won't wash with me sadly.

[Flip]

Again, even if those messages are true. It's hard for Ashley to come out saying it was a transfer request as if proven untrue he will be fed to the lions.

 

However, Carroll could have stayed, he had a contract! If they didn't want him then they would be violating a contract. I feel this is all to simple for my taste, a bit to easy for Andy to come out with after he's signed, after he's seen the reactions from the fans.

 

It's all to manipulative from either side.

 

And in the end, Ashley can leave, but I wouldn't have Carroll back.

[JH]

It's manipulation from both sides really.

 

Ashley is shaping it to look as though he had no other option, Carroll is using the fact the fans hate Ashley and the club won't respond to his comments to shape as though he had no other choice.

 

 

[Guest firetotheworks]

IT'S NOT A RIDICULOUS FEE, WHEN OUR TACTICS ARE BASED AROUND HIM AND THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT. How many f***ing times,

 

Stop posting in caps lock please, grow up.

 

And yes it is a ridiculous fee. Blackpools were willing to let Charlie Adams go for £15 million I heard. He's more vital to that team than Carroll was to us.

£36 million is ridiculous fee for a player who has proven himself in the top tier for only 6 months.

 

I'm still gutted like but for that money you could buy two good strikers who will make us a better and probably one or two young players who can develop.

 

If growing up is ignoring Ashley's history, then I'd rather stay young thanks.

 

No, growing up is not posting in caps lock to get everyones attention. Feels like your yelling ffs.

 

And no one is ignoring his history, but there are two scenarios:

 

1. Ashleys PR-trick and Carroll was forced, but he also left leaving both considered twats.

2. Media has been right about it all and Carroll is a t***.

 

In the end Carroll is a t*** anyways for leaving the club. Ashley doesn't decide where he goes, he can only say yes or no and then its up to the player to decide.

 

I was shouting, sometimes it feels like it's needed to get through to people so willing to place all of the blame at anyone but Ashley.

 

No one is saying ashley isn't to blame at all, fact is the player had as much power in the whole deal as the club.  So they are both to blame.

ashley can be blamed for accepting a fee he  thought was too good to turn down (my guess is the majority of the country agree with him), carroll can be blamed for putting in a transfer request when he could easily have said no. (to the request, not necessarily the move)

 

Exactly, also Carroll imo saw the $$$$$ signs coming.  He's apparently got to pay 30% of his earnings to his ex-misus as well, which hardly helps him financially.

 

I thought you were waiting to hear what Carroll had to say before making a judgement?

 

Final judgement, my view is that soon as Carroll knew of a large bid he saw the $$$$$ signs of the contract that would come with that.  If he then says it wasn't true in public and denies the transfer request in public with no comment from the club then I'll believe his view of events.  Until that happens, then some cheap text messages won't wash with me sadly.

 

Well, if you're more happy to believe the silence from Ashley, then fair enough. I'd take cheap text messages over anything he does or doesn't say. I'm incredibly prejudice when it comes to Ashley, and with reason.

[Jayson]

Bitter? Yes.

 

Woke up feeling empty and betrayed. By who?

 

The fact I voted "Split", is simply down to the fact that:

 

- Carroll submitted a transfer request.

- Ashley has sold probably the brightest talent we've had, and will get, in many many years, to who? Liverpool! Who the f*** is Liverpool? A quick look at the table says it all.

 

What makes me bitter is the fact that the transfer money never will be re-invested, even the mackems get more money to spent than us (not saying they are more successful), but at least they're showing some financial strengths in the transfer market.

 

Would anybody be willing to look at Carroll's stats goals/caps this season and see where we would have been without him from the start? Would be interesting.

 

Take away Carrolls goals & assists this season we'd be on 21 points, joint bottom.

 

Take away purely his goals we'd be on 24 pts, 2 points off the relegation zone.

[Thespence]

Tbf to Ashley he always gets players to put a transfer request in to save the club a few quid. No doubt he says 3 academy kids are getting there contract cancelled if you don't do this but his heart is in the right place.

[Guest palnese]

Those stats mean nothing.

[Flip]

Bitter? Yes.

 

Woke up feeling empty and betrayed. By who?

 

The fact I voted "Split", is simply down to the fact that:

 

- Carroll submitted a transfer request.

- Ashley has sold probably the brightest talent we've had, and will get, in many many years, to who? Liverpool! Who the f*** is Liverpool? A quick look at the table says it all.

 

What makes me bitter is the fact that the transfer money never will be re-invested, even the mackems get more money to spent than us (not saying they are more successful), but at least they're showing some financial strengths in the transfer market.

 

Would anybody be willing to look at Carroll's stats goals/caps this season and see where we would have been without him from the start? Would be interesting.

 

Take away Carrolls goals & assists this season we'd be on 21 points, joint bottom.

 

Take away purely his goals we'd be on 24 pts, 2 points off the relegation zone.

 

That also if we only had 10 men. Impossible to look at it that way.

[madras]

Bitter? Yes.

 

Woke up feeling empty and betrayed. By who?

 

The fact I voted "Split", is simply down to the fact that:

 

- Carroll submitted a transfer request.

- Ashley has sold probably the brightest talent we've had, and will get, in many many years, to who? Liverpool! Who the f*** is Liverpool? A quick look at the table says it all.

 

What makes me bitter is the fact that the transfer money never will be re-invested, even the mackems get more money to spent than us (not saying they are more successful), but at least they're showing some financial strengths in the transfer market.

 

Would anybody be willing to look at Carroll's stats goals/caps this season and see where we would have been without him from the start? Would be interesting.

 

Take away Carrolls goals & assists this season we'd be on 21 points, joint bottom.

 

Take away purely his goals we'd be on 24 pts, 2 points off the relegation zone.

factor we'd have played many games with 10 men then.

[Dr.Spaceman]

Assuming that's all true I'd have done the same tbh.

why ?

 

no way if i thought the move would go through anyway would i put in a request.

 

He didn't.

[Guest ovesbar]

Bitter? Yes.

 

Woke up feeling empty and betrayed. By who?

 

The fact I voted "Split", is simply down to the fact that:

 

- Carroll submitted a transfer request.

- Ashley has sold probably the brightest talent we've had, and will get, in many many years, to who? Liverpool! Who the f*** is Liverpool? A quick look at the table says it all.

 

What makes me bitter is the fact that the transfer money never will be re-invested, even the mackems get more money to spent than us (not saying they are more successful), but at least they're showing some financial strengths in the transfer market.

 

Would anybody be willing to look at Carroll's stats goals/caps this season and see where we would have been without him from the start? Would be interesting.

 

Take away Carrolls goals & assists this season we'd be on 21 points, joint bottom.

 

Take away purely his goals we'd be on 24 pts, 2 points off the relegation zone.

 

So..what happens if you take away Sholas goals and assists?

[Thespence]

What happens if we take away Ranger PL goals?

[madras]

Assuming that's all true I'd have done the same tbh.

why ?

 

no way if i thought the move would go through anyway would i put in a request.

 

He didn't.

if he didn't put in a request then the place will burn down.

[Ginola]

Bitter? Yes.

 

Woke up feeling empty and betrayed. By who?

 

The fact I voted "Split", is simply down to the fact that:

 

- Carroll submitted a transfer request.

- Ashley has sold probably the brightest talent we've had, and will get, in many many years, to who? Liverpool! Who the f*** is Liverpool? A quick look at the table says it all.

 

What makes me bitter is the fact that the transfer money never will be re-invested, even the mackems get more money to spent than us (not saying they are more successful), but at least they're showing some financial strengths in the transfer market.

 

Would anybody be willing to look at Carroll's stats goals/caps this season and see where we would have been without him from the start? Would be interesting.

 

Take away Carrolls goals & assists this season we'd be on 21 points, joint bottom.

 

Take away purely his goals we'd be on 24 pts, 2 points off the relegation zone.

 

What a ridiculous post. We'd have someone else playing instead, who could have scored more. Every game would be shaped differently. Seriously, fucking stupid.

[Jayson]

Those stats mean nothing.

 

Well yeah you're basically playing all those games with 10 men instead. Its not easy to believe whoever took Carrolls position would have had an equal impact though.

Bitter? Yes.

 

Woke up feeling empty and betrayed. By who?

 

The fact I voted "Split", is simply down to the fact that:

 

- Carroll submitted a transfer request.

- Ashley has sold probably the brightest talent we've had, and will get, in many many years, to who? Liverpool! Who the f*** is Liverpool? A quick look at the table says it all.

 

What makes me bitter is the fact that the transfer money never will be re-invested, even the mackems get more money to spent than us (not saying they are more successful), but at least they're showing some financial strengths in the transfer market.

 

Would anybody be willing to look at Carroll's stats goals/caps this season and see where we would have been without him from the start? Would be interesting.

 

Take away Carrolls goals & assists this season we'd be on 21 points, joint bottom.

 

Take away purely his goals we'd be on 24 pts, 2 points off the relegation zone.

 

So..what happens if you take away Sholas goals and assists?

 

The natural order of things is restored

[Flip]

Bitter? Yes.

 

Woke up feeling empty and betrayed. By who?

 

The fact I voted "Split", is simply down to the fact that:

 

- Carroll submitted a transfer request.

- Ashley has sold probably the brightest talent we've had, and will get, in many many years, to who? Liverpool! Who the f*** is Liverpool? A quick look at the table says it all.

 

What makes me bitter is the fact that the transfer money never will be re-invested, even the mackems get more money to spent than us (not saying they are more successful), but at least they're showing some financial strengths in the transfer market.

 

Would anybody be willing to look at Carroll's stats goals/caps this season and see where we would have been without him from the start? Would be interesting.

 

Take away Carrolls goals & assists this season we'd be on 21 points, joint bottom.

 

Take away purely his goals we'd be on 24 pts, 2 points off the relegation zone.

 

What a ridiculous post. We'd have someone else playing instead, who could have scored more. Every game would be shaped differently. Seriously, f***ing stupid.

 

 

I think he was only answering maze question. I doubt he really think we'd be there without Carroll.

[Dr.Spaceman]

Assuming that's all true I'd have done the same tbh.

why ?

 

no way if i thought the move would go through anyway would i put in a request.

 

He didn't.

if he didn't put in a request then the place will burn down.

 

Aye but he didn't, so it won't.  life will go on.

[Skirge]

Bet Pards is on his own at the Presser, no Lambias to back him up.

[Ginola]

Yea, looking back, that's pretty much all he did. Replace post with mazes question and my post stands.

[madras]

Assuming that's all true I'd have done the same tbh.

why ?

 

no way if i thought the move would go through anyway would i put in a request.

 

He didn't.

if he didn't put in a request then the place will burn down.

 

Aye but he didn't, so it won't.  life will go on.

what do you know, everyone else is under the impression he did.

[Dr.Spaceman]

Assuming that's all true I'd have done the same tbh.

why ?

 

no way if i thought the move would go through anyway would i put in a request.

 

He didn't.

if he didn't put in a request then the place will burn down.

 

Aye but he didn't, so it won't.  life will go on.

what do you know, everyone else is under the impression he did.

 

No they aren't lol.  Can you read?

[madras]

Bet Pards is on his own at the Presser, no Lambias to back him up.

does board members usually do the regular pre match conferences ?