U23s & Academy

[Guest chicken little]

I don’t think Beardsley is a racist as such

 

howay man, he's called a black lad a monkey ffs.

[Amir_9]

This is a shame. Met him at Central station once and he was sound with me (I'm Arabic), would have never imagined it at the time.

 

There are certain things that you should never say at any time, never mind at your place of work. Unprofessional, just like the club.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

I don’t think Beardsley is a racist as such

 

howay man, he's called a black lad a monkey ffs.

 

My kids are mixed race, I call them cheeky monkies all the time. I’ve not read the full findings so if he said that ad verbatim then it’s clear. From my understanding he didn’t call them monkies, but alluded they should be good at climbing given their race/nationality. It’s obvious racial in context, but I’d refrain from calling him out as a rabid racist because for me as such a difficult subject covering many layers, it can be equally damaging to label everything and everyone a racist based on vernacular (in or out of context if that’s even possible?) as the deliberate use of racism that demonstrably prejudices the equality of rights, freedoms and fairness legally or otherwise of someone based on skin colour, race or ethnicity.

 

I’m not defending him, but the line between what Beardsley said is a lot closer (for my simple interpretation anyway) to the bone of contention raised by issues when certain vernacular is directed derogotary towards females or gay people. I’m guilty of calling someone out as a puff in a derogotary way based on my inner prejudices, not towards gay people as such, but preconceived stereotypes of gay people. In that sense I can see why someone like Beardsley would turn to a black kid at Go Ape and say howay, you should be good at this. It’s not acceptable and not right full stop. But it’s probably understandable in a back to front upside down way of looking at it.

 

What if Beardsley said to a black kid at KFC, howay you should be happy eating a bucket of chicken? I’ve read many a time racial vernacular meant in jest directed at say Mike for example or Oldtype. Used in a different context, in a different environment, whose to say such vernacular isn’t racist and highly offensive? But does that mean that person using such vernacular is racist?

 

I guarantee all the young kids at Newcastle under Beardsley will have used racially context vernacular not in a racist way towards one another, but in a way more of stereotype or preconceived racial profiles.

 

What is so bad and wrong with Beardsley IMO is not such much the racial aspect, but the bullying, which he didn’t seem to discriminate who he targeted over. As an adult employed to supervise kids and young adults, regardless of any anti racial or bullying discrimination policy, he is responsible for the protection of everyone in his supervision and to treat everyone equally and fair as human beings, as young people. Equality of race, sexuality, gender, ethnicity, nationality, shouldn’t even be considered, do that and there will never be any issues, we are a long way off that though.

 

The underlying concern of course is Beardsley is the watered down low alcohol version of the 100% proof cocktail mix the media got drunk on over Sterling in the summer of last year and ideally, he needs to be made a real example of. But not in a way that locks him up for good and throws away the key held in racists jail because I’d like to think the vast majority of people like him especially in England are not racist and more exposure to the opposite race for example, sexually and socially especially and to cultural differences even as far as cuisine, visiting others’ countries and yes living next door to each other, a lot of racial barriers will collapse where vernacular used by Beardsley won’t be such a bad thing to be of any significant concern to worry anyone, regardless of race or whatever.

[tgarve]

I don’t think Beardsley is a racist as such

 

howay man, he's called a black lad a monkey ffs.

 

My kids are mixed race, I call them cheeky monkies all the time. I’ve not read the full findings so if he said that ad verbatim then it’s clear. From my understanding he didn’t call them monkies, but alluded they should be good at climbing given their race/nationality. It’s obvious racial in context, but I’d refrain from calling him out as a rabid racist because for me as such a difficult subject covering many layers, it can be equally damaging to label everything and everyone a racist based on vernacular (in or out of context if that’s even possible?) as the deliberate use of racism that demonstrably prejudices the equality of rights, freedoms and fairness legally or otherwise of someone based on skin colour, race or ethnicity.

 

I’m not defending him, but the line between what Beardsley said is a lot closer (for my simple interpretation anyway) to the bone of contention raised by issues when certain vernacular is directed derogotary towards females or gay people. I’m guilty of calling someone out as a puff in a derogotary way based on my inner prejudices, not towards gay people as such, but preconceived stereotypes of gay people. In that sense I can see why someone like Beardsley would turn to a black kid at Go Ape and say howay, you should be good at this. It’s not acceptable and not right full stop. But it’s probably understandable in a back to front upside down way of looking at it.

 

What if Beardsley said to a black kid at KFC, howay you should be happy eating a bucket of chicken? I’ve read many a time racial vernacular meant in jest directed at say Mike for example or Oldtype. Used in a different context, in a different environment, whose to say such vernacular isn’t racist and highly offensive? But does that mean that person using such vernacular is racist?

 

I guarantee all the young kids at Newcastle under Beardsley will have used racially context vernacular not in a racist way towards one another, but in a way more of stereotype or preconceived racial profiles.

 

What is so bad and wrong with Beardsley IMO is not such much the racial aspect, but the bullying, which he didn’t seem to discriminate who he targeted over. As an adult employed to supervise kids and young adults, regardless of any anti racial or bullying discrimination policy, he is responsible for the protection of everyone in his supervision and to treat everyone equally and fair as human beings, as young people. Equality of race, sexuality, gender, ethnicity, nationality, shouldn’t even be considered, do that and there will never be any issues, we are a long way off that though.

 

The underlying concern of course is Beardsley is the watered down low alcohol version of the 100% proof cocktail mix the media got drunk on over Sterling in the summer of last year and ideally, he needs to be made a real example of. But not in a way that locks him up for good and throws away the key held in racists jail because I’d like to think the vast majority of people like him especially in England are not racist and more exposure to the opposite race for example, sexually and socially especially and to cultural differences even as far as cuisine, visiting others’ countries and yes living next door to each other, a lot of racial barriers will collapse where vernacular used by Beardsley won’t be such a bad thing to be of any significant concern to worry anyone, regardless of race or whatever.

 

Have a read again, not only are you wrong and some points absolutely absurd (KFC) you are misinformed

[ToonArmy1892]

Howay man HTT.

 

He DID call black player a monkey, and not a cheeky monkey like a parent calls a child, that is a ridiculous comparison.

[tgarve]

Howay man HTT.

 

He DID call black player a monkey, and not a cheeky monkey like a parent calls a child, that is ridiculous comparison.

 

Exactly

[Happinesstan]

Reading it in full, it seems undeniable that there are aspects to Beardsley's character, that are simply unacceptable. I don't mean the bullying, I was working in one of the busiest bars in town, at 17, so I don't think of 18 year olds as children who need to be protected, but to use race as a tool for that bullying, is unforgivable.

 

I remember when Alan Hansen was called out for using the term 'coloured', then I argued that to call him racist was an over-reaction, and I still stand by that, but this is blatantly racist. Not in a white supremacy kind of way, but the most insidious kind of way.

[Guest covmag]

HTT he called a black  player a monkey ffs.

No defense, hes an utter cunt.

[La Parka]

I stopped reading after the first line. You can't defend what he said in no context. It's abhorrent behaviour.

[adam1]

Dog Dirt.

[Greg]

HTT that is a load of nonsense and even more so, before even attempting to write something like that, you simply have to read the judgement (it's linked in this thread) to understand the facts.

[Johneddy]

This club has no moral fibre whatsoever and I don't see why Charnley doesn't get just as much abuse as Ashley - he is complicit in everything in this case including mock meetings and investigations with those involved - he must also be kingpin in shuffling the premiership money around from within.... bullet 2 imo

[Guest Howaythetoon]

HTT that is a load of nonsense and even more so, before even attempting to write something like that, you simply have to read the judgement (it's linked in this thread) to understand the facts.

 

I have eventually read it, I initially assumed the monkey reference was in relation to the Go Ape thing and not a whole new charge. The whole report is damning and actually sickening. He’s clearly a racist and a bully. Horrible rancid man! I take back what I said!

[Guest]

He was coaching at a Northern Alliance club before this, chances are he'll be coaching after it as well.

[Paully]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7495895/amp/John-Barnes-insists-Peter-Beardsleys-racially-abusive-language-banter.html?__twitter_impression=true

[nemtizz]

Now I've actually read the article he's pretty spot on, especially about the 'intent'.

[Newcastle Fan]

The reserves did well today against a West Brom team full of first team players, lost 2-1 with a goal in the last minutes.

[Guest covmag]

Stiffs chinned in the last minute 0-1

 

The club is shite 

[Guest covmag]

Just read the reserves played in front of the lowest crowd in memory at SJP

 

champion, can’t believe 343 even bothered, why would you 

[Guest]

You'd think a fair few of those are scouts, friends & family etc. too.

[Disco]

Getting bashed 3-0 at Shrewsbury. Jamie Sterry having a blinder.

[Guest]

Trying to get Lewis Gibson back from Everton according to Craig Hope.

 

[Doctor Zaius]

Isnt he highly rated at Everton?

[Minhosa]

Can’t imagine Mike Ashley would be interested in taking something for below its actual market value and then trying to profit from it again. Nope. No sirrree.

[Guest chopey]

Charnley's quote this morning-

 

"We want to be the best academy in the region. Our vision is we want local boys to look at it and think it’s not going to be full of boys from London, Manchester or abroad. Between nine and 16, it will be an academy with boys predominantly from the local area. There will be exceptions but generally, it will be local."

 

Watch out Consett, Wickham and Horden Colliery Welfare we are coming for your best players