RIP sale thread.

[Thespence]

He is just as responsible for the positionj our club is in as Ashley, IMHO. Of course, I wonder what people would have thought of the KK transfer list he drew up and gave to Ashley 12 months or so ago,............Henry, Beckham, Ronaldinho etc etc .........pure f***ing fantasy island stuff.

 

Do the etc & etc = Guthrie & Xisco?

[ianovthetoon]

Everything we've heard so far about the KK situation is press speculation and bits of information/bullshit the club have decided to leak themselves. This will be essentially heard as a court case, and as such the truth will out. Perhaps then is the time to form an opinion of what happened during Keegan's last tenure here.

 

It was a mistake in the first place bringing him back, and whether or not he was right/wrong for walking out at that time, we're now relegated, looking to bounce back at the first time of asking.

 

Perhaps NUFC in this instance should stand for No Use Fucking Crying. We need to back the team, help them get back up and see how we move on from this. My first experiences of watching Newcastle languishing in the second division, losing play offs to Sunderland so I've known darker days. One thing that I have noticed this year is that the atmosphere seems better, and perhaps this one season(If that's all it is), will prove to be a turn around in our fortunes.

[robm]

Robm

 

Read the papers, mate. Court case his week where he is suing the Club for 8 million plus costs.

 

I quite understand most of you who love KK living in the past but lets be honest here, he is a serial bottler, cry baby, who has walked out on NUFC three times that I can remember off the top of my head, leaving us in the lurch. Do you honestly think that is responsible? Is it fuck.

 

Keegan has never completed a job he started, has walked at the slightest problem and mwhen it all boils down to it, What the fuck has he ever won as a manager? NOTHING.

 

He is just as responsible for the positionj our club is in as Ashley, IMHO. Of course, I wonder what people would have thought of the KK transfer list he drew up and gave to Ashley 12 months or so ago,............Henry, Beckham, Ronaldinho etc etc .........pure fucking fantasy island stuff.

 

That was Howay the lads. I was just pointing out the source

 

[TRon]

Keegan walked in my book. He may have been justified but being sacked or told to clear his desk is not what happened to him so I hope he loses this case, not only because the club can't afford it but constructive dismissal in this case just doesn't seem a correct description. Maybe new evidence will come to the fore once the case is underway, we'll have to wait and see. I don't blame him for walking but I think it's going too far too expect to get paid for doing it.

[OzzieMandias]

I couldn't give a fuck if the buyer invests their own money tbh, if they run the club sensibly and with ambition we'll be fine. The potential is there; a small amount of speculation will see us up, cut the dead wood (Geremi etc) and get in a manager who you trust and back them within reason. Don't need to be especially wealthy to make a decent success of this club.

 

And there it is. It really is fucking easy to make this club a success as all one needs is common footballing sense. Ashley and his cronies have clearly lacked this and here we are, slowly clawing back to normalcy despite the fat one's ineptitude.

 

 

I wish.

 

If it was as easy as you make out how come the people who have done the best job of trying in over half a bloody century are despised by so many and thought of as shit, unless the "so many" who think this way are total know-nowts?

 

You tell me, mate.

 

Because they lost their touch many years before they relinquished control, and left the club in a godawful fucking mess.

 

Obviously.

 

Which as I said earlier to someone else, this would make sense if people like you hadn't been rubbishing the previous Board way before they "lost control" as you call it.  You weren't happy with top 6 finishes. You said it was shit.

 

You really should be quiet about this otherwise I'll have to remind everyone that you were one of the main whingers about the previous Board during the time we finished 4th, 3rd then 5th. I may go on to remind people that despite having signed Woodgate in January 2003, Darren Ambrose and also Lee Bowyer (England international at the time) on a free during summer 2003, you slagged the Board for not spending millions that summer. I might even remind people that you then amazingly backed the destruction of the team by Souness and the bankrolling of him by the Board to the tune of ~£50m, then you ironically slag the Board for spending despite your boring mantra of "judge him when he's built his own team."

 

Mate, you're full of shit most of the time, almost everything you post is based on 20/20 hindsight and is still tripe.

 

If you can't respond to a post without trying to shove words into someone else's mouth, perhaps you should acknowledge that talkboard discussions aren't really your strong point, chum.

 

As for our failure to strengthen a demoralised squad in the summer of 2003 -- the absolute pivotal moment in the decline of this club, the moment where the old regime started pissing away everything that had been achieved by Sir Bobby Robson -- I still fail to see what the purchase of Woodgate six months earlier has to do with it.

 

Chronology is obviously not your strongpoint either. But you score pretty high on selective memory.

 

A weak response, tbh. And total bollocks as usual.

 

If you could just for once leave aside the ad hominem blather, are you denying that the old lot lost their touch years before they relinquished control and left the club in a real mess?

 

Just trying and failing to keep up with you. Fact is, nobody comes out with more personal insults than you do. You've been doing it since you first appeared here, which is why you attract it in return.

 

If there was any point in debating anything with you I would answer your question honestly. Sadly, there's no point.

 

So are you denying that the old lot lost their touch years before they relinquished control and left the club in a real mess?

 

[OzzieMandias]

Robm

 

Read the papers, mate. Court case his week where he is suing the Club for 8 million plus costs.

 

I quite understand most of you who love KK living in the past but lets be honest here, he is a serial bottler, cry baby, who has walked out on NUFC three times that I can remember off the top of my head, leaving us in the lurch. Do you honestly think that is responsible? Is it fuck.

 

Keegan has never completed a job he started, has walked at the slightest problem and mwhen it all boils down to it, What the fuck has he ever won as a manager? NOTHING.

 

He is just as responsible for the positionj our club is in as Ashley, IMHO. Of course, I wonder what people would have thought of the KK transfer list he drew up and gave to Ashley 12 months or so ago,............Henry, Beckham, Ronaldinho etc etc .........pure fucking fantasy island stuff.

 

At the time I interpreted that as a consequence of him having been out of football for a while and, by his own admission, not having being paying much attention to it. The only names he could come up with were these ultra-famous, rather obvious ones.

[manorpark]

I'm not claiming he hasn't got character flaws. He clearerly has like all of us but I'll defend him over the fiasco which is Mike f***ing Ashley any day of the week. 

I felt let down like the rest of us when he left BUT his reasons for doing so have become apparant over time.

 

 

So you are saying that Keegans return to Newcastle was for other reasons and this far out weighs the mess Ashley has got us in?  What proof do you have thats says KK came back with other motives in mind???

 

I said KK left beause he could not get Ashley to spend the clubs money on players that were seriously needed he felt he had to leave to push the situation further.  he was proved right.

 

 

 

 

What you say above is good and correct and I agree with it, as I always have.

 

It is difficult to estimate how much of this MESS was Ashley's fault, but (as owner) he has to take by far the bulk of the blame.

 

Now, without you having met him, or 'seen the photos', I would imagine you will agree with that.

 

The reasons Keegan left (that you mention) are all valid, as I have always said, and are undoubtedly part of it. BUT, many people continue to rationalise and over-simplify the reason why he left, "latching on" to the Ashley-and-funds-and-choice-of-players, thing.

 

It is most unlikely that anything as simple as that would have caused him to leave - it he came here to "finish the job" etc - with the speed with which he did.

 

It just does not FIT.

 

It smells.

 

There must be more to it than just that.

 

There is a lot more complexity in why Keegan returned and why he left so soon, that the simply-presented "reasons" of the funds and choice of players, that so many people (as said) happily latch on to as being the be-all-and-end-all of the situation.

 

C'mon, the whole thing STINKS.

 

I really cannot find any other way to say this now. I have described the "Ashley & Funds" bit, as the 'last chapter' and the 'last page', and I have tried many other ways to get the message across here - so I can do no more.

 

Simply, there is more to it than that - it stinks to high heaven.

 

 

He came back as soon as the Halls and Shepherds were out of the club, he came in thinking Mike Ashley was going to at least take the club forward, it then became apparent that Ashley had no intension to spend and he was going to reduce the operating costs of the club.

 

KK couldn't deal with Ashley, Lambias and Wise as they were f*** nuts without a clue so was either sacked or quit.

 

I'm not sure where you get this "must be another reason" for him to return from.

 

Are you basing your argument for KK coming back with other motives on that shitty lazy article in one of the papers sayng it was because Soccer Circus was struggling and he needed cash.

 

The same Soccer Circus which is still going even in the recession.

 

Keegan, the person, the "motives" . . . have to share the blame for our demise with Ashley.

 

They have both 'done us in' for the next few years, at least.

 

Playing in the Europa League, The Champions League and challenging for the League Title - are still a long way off - thanks to BOTH of them . . .

[jdckelly]

keegan may have had motive for walking out but thats what he did he walked out he wasnt sacked so he shouldnt get anything imo

[Cronky]

It may well have been a mistake to have a manager answering to a DOF, or to restrict the transfer budget, but that's not quite the point. Keegan didn't walk out because of those things specifically, but because he claimed a player or players were brought in who he didn't want.

 

I'd agree that Keegan didn't like working under Wise, or with the lack of transfer money. That was obvious during his outburst after the Chelsea game. If he'd been employed initially on a different understanding, then that would have been the time to resign. It's therefore hard to escape the conclusion from later events that he was waiting for the opportunity to resign in circumstances where he could actually claim compensation - ie when a player came in without his agreement.

 

Given that he met Xisco and talked about his plans for the club, the only realistic candidate seems to be Gonzalez. In which case it's no wonder that Ashley isn't prepared to settle.

[Frazzle]

I've said it before, but it's not just the players we brought in that tipped Keegan over the edge, but the players we didn't.  Everyone keeps saying it was Xisco/Gonzalez that pushed him over the edge but I think the biggest problem was that we still didn't sign a LB, who Keegan wanted for ages.

[Pilko]

I've said it before, but it's not just the players we brought in that tipped Keegan over the edge, but the players we didn't.  Everyone keeps saying it was Xisco/Gonzalez that pushed him over the edge but I think the biggest problem was that we still didn't sign a LB, who Keegan wanted for ages.

 

Totally agree. There's this notion of people thinking that Keegan walked out because "Xisco was rubbish"

[Thespence]

Given that he met Xisco and talked about his plans for the club, the only realistic candidate seems to be Gonzalez. In which case it's no wonder that Ashley isn't prepared to settle.

 

I fail to see how KK talking to player the club are going to sign make any difference. Because at the time he was the current 1st team coach so he is going to at least speak to the player. Has any club anywhere ever signed a 1st team player where the fella picking the 1st team has not spoken to that player?

[maybe_next_year]

I've said it before, but it's not just the players we brought in that tipped Keegan over the edge, but the players we didn't.  Everyone keeps saying it was Xisco/Gonzalez that pushed him over the edge but I think the biggest problem was that we still didn't sign a LB, who Keegan wanted for ages.

 

Totally agree. There's this notion of people thinking that Keegan walked out because "Xisco was rubbish"

 

imo it was probably a bit of both, when you're banging on MA's door demanding an Lb to see him spend money on areas that dont need improving (as much) and on players you've never herd of, would get to you. he probably could of lived with not getting the players he wanted or wise being allowed to sign players, but not both.

[TRon]

I've said it before, but it's not just the players we brought in that tipped Keegan over the edge, but the players we didn't.  Everyone keeps saying it was Xisco/Gonzalez that pushed him over the edge but I think the biggest problem was that we still didn't sign a LB, who Keegan wanted for ages.

 

You can't claim compensation because the owner didn't bring in players you expected him to. Walk out by all means but £10m because "it's not like the brochure"?

 

 

[Frazzle]

I've said it before, but it's not just the players we brought in that tipped Keegan over the edge, but the players we didn't.  Everyone keeps saying it was Xisco/Gonzalez that pushed him over the edge but I think the biggest problem was that we still didn't sign a LB, who Keegan wanted for ages.

 

You can't claim compensation because the owner didn't bring in players you expected him to. Walk out by all means but £10m because "it's not like the brochure"?

 

 

 

So can you claim compensation because players were signed that you didn't want?  There's no rule book saying what is and what isn't constructive dismissal.  Precedent is obviously used but precedent can also be set.  As long as Keegan can show his position was made untenable then he'll win his case.  Remember constructive dismissal doesn't just occur in football, Keegan could have said Llambias was touching him up and insulting him ( ) and so he had to resign, that'd also be a case for constructive dismissal

[TRon]

I've said it before, but it's not just the players we brought in that tipped Keegan over the edge, but the players we didn't.  Everyone keeps saying it was Xisco/Gonzalez that pushed him over the edge but I think the biggest problem was that we still didn't sign a LB, who Keegan wanted for ages.

 

You can't claim compensation because the owner didn't bring in players you expected him to. Walk out by all means but £10m because "it's not like the brochure"?

 

 

 

So can you claim compensation because players were signed that you didn't want?  There's no rule book saying what is and what isn't constructive dismissal.  Precedent is obviously used but precedent can also be set.  As long as Keegan can show his position was made untenable then he'll win his case.  Remember constructive dismissal doesn't just occur in football, Keegan could have said Llambias was touching him up and insulting him ( ) and so he had to resign, that'd also be a case for constructive dismissal

 

Obviously precedent is being set so all of us are just passing opinion at the moment. I just think that Keegan was out of work in football for a long time and there weren't exactly queues lining up to offer him multi-million pound employment, and I doubt there will be after this episode either. If he wins his case it would have been a very expensive decision to give him that chance again, one which we'll pay for dearly as a club.

[Tooj]

Robm

 

Read the papers, mate. Court case his week where he is suing the Club for 8 million plus costs.

 

I quite understand most of you who love KK living in the past but lets be honest here, he is a serial bottler, cry baby, who has walked out on NUFC three times that I can remember off the top of my head, leaving us in the lurch. Do you honestly think that is responsible? Is it fuck.

 

Keegan has never completed a job he started, has walked at the slightest problem and mwhen it all boils down to it, What the fuck has he ever won as a manager? NOTHING.

 

He is just as responsible for the positionj our club is in as Ashley, IMHO. Of course, I wonder what people would have thought of the KK transfer list he drew up and gave to Ashley 12 months or so ago,............Henry, Beckham, Ronaldinho etc etc .........pure fucking fantasy island stuff.

 

At the time I interpreted that as a consequence of him having been out of football for a while and, by his own admission, not having being paying much attention to it. The only names he could come up with were these ultra-famous, rather obvious ones.

 

Yet he signed Danny Guthrie and Bassong.

[Tooj]

I've said it before, but it's not just the players we brought in that tipped Keegan over the edge, but the players we didn't.  Everyone keeps saying it was Xisco/Gonzalez that pushed him over the edge but I think the biggest problem was that we still didn't sign a LB, who Keegan wanted for ages.

 

Exactly. I'd have been extremely pissed off with what happened with regards to Modric and not getting someone in the centre of midfield.

[Dokko]

Still going and still losing money, by all accounts.

Hence KKs desperate bid to extort 10 million quid from his so called beloved NUFC.

 

Suffice to say, Keegan is an even bigger fucking con man then Ashley.

 

More tripe.

 

You should be careful what you post on an open forum.

 

Do you have any evidence to support this allegation? I really do hope you have, or that KK and any of his representatives aren't reading it.

 

Aye or 'Wor Kev' will be trying to take money directly off the fans next.

 

Nee shame that man; anything for a quick undeserved pay packet.

 

 

[sander68]

Keith Harris at the game with two other guys. Americans?

[JH]

Keith Harris at the game with two other guys. Americans?

 

Probably members of the Cardiff board. He's getting involved with them, something to do with getting in investment.

[Guest DavB93]

Keith Harris at the game with two other guys. Americans?

 

Probably members of the Cardiff board. He's getting involved with them, something to do with getting in investment.

 

Yeah I'm sure the commentator said he's a member of the board now there.

[Chrisjraby]

Risdale was sat just behind him so I assume that's the case.

[Wullie]

I've said it before, but it's not just the players we brought in that tipped Keegan over the edge, but the players we didn't.  Everyone keeps saying it was Xisco/Gonzalez that pushed him over the edge but I think the biggest problem was that we still didn't sign a LB, who Keegan wanted for ages.

 

Exactly. I'd have been extremely pissed off with what happened with regards to Modric and not getting someone in the centre of midfield.

 

Not to mention the promises he made to the fans after Milner was sold, that the money would be spent.

[TheGuv]

I was at a John Bez talk in and he siad he was told Xisco was a lad they would buy for about 500k. He syas thats fine. He finds out he was for 6 mill. Half his oney from Milner. He obviously went off it!!! I would walk to be honest if that had happened, especially if you knew who the 12 mill was going to go on!