Interpolic Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Ferdinand used to be one of the best defenders in the world IMO, it's a good point about his fitness though - if he can't play every 4 days then he's not really fit for purpose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/alan-pardews-euro-zone-england-can-reign-against-ukraine-7856519.html Having watched England come back so well to beat Sweden on Friday night, I am convinced they can now win an "away" game against Ukraine on Tuesday. Win the group and almost certainly avoid Spain in the quarter-final? That is trickier, given that France have a slightly better goal difference and will be playing a Swedish side who are out of the competition. Ukraine will have big support and I can see them having a good spell against us for maybe 20 minutes or so in which the defence has to hold out, but we can then catch them on the break or from a set play. Andrey Shevchenko won them the game against Sweden with two headers, what I call instinctive goals, and he can always get one of those but he doesn't frighten me so much these days. Ten years ago yes, but not now. Bringing Wayne Rooney back into the side is a no-brainer and I expect it to be Andy Carroll who makes way for him. Tell Andy he has scored a great goal and we need him to be ready to come on in the last 20 minutes again if necessary, but that Rooney is the man, especially with his Manchester United team-mate Danny Welbeck alongside him. And Andy in my experience of him will accept that. He will be disappointed of course because they all want to play but he will understand that Rooney is a level above him at the moment. I was delighted to see him score a typical Carroll goal with that terrific header, the best of the tournament for me. What I would say is that Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who has his critics in England, showed Andy with his all-round performance just how far he has to go to get to the next level. Linking up the play, getting shots off, shrugging people off the ball. If Andy wants to improve, that shows him the work he has to do on the training ground on his all-round game. I would keep Ashley Young in but there is a tough call for Roy Hodgson on the other flank between James Milner and Theo Walcott after Theo came on and did exactly what you want from an impact substitute. I'm happy to leave that one to Roy. But England to win. Team spirit adds missing element I honestly do not think England would have come back like that in the Sweden game in the recent past. It was a great, great result in the circumstances and what it showed was the power and spirit of this group of players. In the past there has often been a lack of harmony and we have not had the group together for whatever reasons – maybe the Man United-Liverpool factions for instance. This squad, without being as good individually, look very much as though they have a team spirit for one of the first times I can remember. There is a free spirit about them too, which possibly comes from having a good influx of young players there and they will now have the belief that even if they go behind they can come back and do it. The game against France was different because you felt all along that the French had that extra bit of quality which was going to tell eventually. So to come out of the first two matches with four points was a great effort. Of course there was a bad period in the 15 or 20 minutes after half-time against Sweden, but I do a lot of work with defenders and I would have sat mine down and said to them that the first goal was just one of those bad breaks that fell nicely for Sweden – it happens, take it on the chin. The second goal was a poor one and not like us. We also need to remember sometimes that this is top-class international football, in which you are up against quality opposition. England had Ashley Cole and Ashley Young down the left, which in any Premier League team would give you an awful lot of ammunition, yet on Friday we got very little penetration from them. Full marks for a cool head and clear thinking Roy Hodgson has now had two competitive matches after the two friendlies, all four games unbeaten, and you have to give him very good marks. His selections and substitutions have been spot-on; he has worked very hard with the talent available; handled the media very well; and you can see from his animation on the sidelines how much he cares. I've seen other England managers on that touchline sometimes looking quite glassy-eyed, as if they're thinking "what on earth do I do now?" Roy has the experience to avoid that and make the right calls with a calm head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 But I've never rated Rio so my judgment is probably tainted. Crazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Ferdinand used to be one of the best defenders in the world IMO, it's a good point about his fitness though - if he can't play every 4 days then he's not really fit for purpose. Ferdinand at his best was frightening, he was a colossus. But of the two, Terry is far closer to his peak than Ferdinand, who for at least half this season at Man Utd looked mediocre. Lescott is by far a better choice to partner, or Jagielka. That said, I'd have Ferdinand in ahead of Martin fucking Kelly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Im quite pleased with the young players we have in and around the squad at the minute. I think they will never match the squads of the Germans and Spanish etc but if you look at the age of some of our players its quite posotive. Hart - 25 Phil Jones - 20 Smalling - 22 Richards - 23 Cahill -26 the Ox - 18 Walcott - 23 Young - 26 Carroll - 23 Welbeck - 21 Rooney -26 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyeyzzon Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Im quite pleased with the young players we have in and around the squad at the minute. I think they will never match the squads of the Germans and Spanish etc but if you look at the age of some of our players its quite posotive. Hart - 25 Phil Jones - 20 Smalling - 22 Richards - 23 Cahill -26 the Ox - 18 Walcott - 23 Young - 26 Carroll - 23 Welbeck - 21 Rooney -26 Wilshere's been injured for some time too, so too is Rodwell. Could see them at the CM slots if they get over their injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Im quite pleased with the young players we have in and around the squad at the minute. I think they will never match the squads of the Germans and Spanish etc but if you look at the age of some of our players its quite posotive. Hart - 25 Phil Jones - 20 Smalling - 22 Richards - 23 Cahill -26 the Ox - 18 Walcott - 23 Young - 26 Carroll - 23 Welbeck - 21 Rooney -26 Wilshere's been injured for some time too, so too is Rodwell. Could see them at the CM slots if they get over their injuries. For sure. I knew I would have forgotten a few. Perchinio is only 26 aswell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Im quite pleased with the young players we have in and around the squad at the minute. I think they will never match the squads of the Germans and Spanish etc but if you look at the age of some of our players its quite posotive. Hart - 25 Phil Jones - 20 Smalling - 22 Richards - 23 Cahill -26 the Ox - 18 Walcott - 23 Young - 26 Carroll - 23 Welbeck - 21 Rooney -26 Wilshere's been injured for some time too, so too is Rodwell. Could see them at the CM slots if they get over their injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 You're not on about those coca-cola rumours again, are ya? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Careful.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 But I've never rated Rio so my judgment is probably tainted. Crazy. No, opinion. Rio , in MY opinion, has always been vastly over rated, even when he was at West Ham. He was the second best centre half at Leeds, and without Vidic bailing him out time and time again has often looked distinctly mediocre at Man United Crazy is how I'd describe your mantra that everyone should agree with you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 But I've never rated Rio so my judgment is probably tainted. Crazy. No, opinion. Rio , in MY opinion, has always been vastly over rated, even when he was at West Ham. He was the second best centre half at Leeds, and without Vidic bailing him out time and time again has often looked distinctly mediocre at Man United Crazy is how I'd describe your mantra that everyone should agree with you. Completely agree. Rio has never been as good as people/media have made out in my eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Proceedings opened against English FA Published: Sunday 17 June 2012, 12.15CET UEFA has opened disciplinary proceedings against the Football Association of England for the inappropriate conduct of their fans at the Group D match with Sweden. UEFA has opened disciplinary proceedings against the Football Association of England (FA) for the inappropriate behaviour of their supporters – attempted invasion of the field of play – at the UEFA EURO 2012 Group D match against Sweden in Kyiv on Friday. The UEFA Control and Disciplinary Body will deal with the case on Wednesday 20 June. Click Here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Must have missed that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 God help UEFA if Sammy ever gets a call up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Heard about it on the radio commentary at the time. They were saying some English fans had come over the barrier- not sure if it was when England had scored. They said it was good-natured but that they needed to get back on the other side quickly. I never heard it mentioned again so I assume it was over pretty quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Must have missed that. It was hardly trying to get on the pitch, they just jumped off the metre high barrier when we scored, which is miles away from the pitch. UEFA love England man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Following a defensive, well drilled, counter-attacking performance against France and a sloppy, fortunate, game of two halves against Sweden it's difficult to gauge just how this England side are going to progress. I think they'll have too much quality for Ukraine but any of the three that can progress from Group C may be a step too far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18440947 Who would listen to this? So poor. Lasted until Carroll scored. The fat cunt wasn't even watching then was more bothered about pressing buttons. Fucking awful. It gets worse. I lasted until the Sweden equaliser, so slightly longer. I was treated to "GOOOOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLLL", "Who scored that?" and a "Boing" sound effect when Zlatan's free kick hits the wall. I'm so full of rage right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Happy that Moyles is kept in the confines of a little studio. His patter would get him glassed in a busy pub. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Fucking hate that unfunny cunt Moyles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 From the coverage I was watching, it didn't look like more than 20 or 30 lads, who hopped over the barrier, didn't move out of the area just beyond the barrier, and danced about happily, trying to shrug off the attempts of stewards to move them on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 From the coverage I was watching, it didn't look like more than 20 or 30 lads, who hopped over the barrier, didn't move out of the area just beyond the barrier, and danced about happily, trying to shrug off the attempts of stewards to move them on. fucking scum. Worse than racism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Fucking hate that unfunny cunt Moyles. X 1000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Misread at first. Thought everyone was having a massive go at David Moyes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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