AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was talking about this with my mackem mate the other night, he basically says he's given up on football because it's impossible for clubs like ours to progress. I'm still not sure I believe that entirely, and we'll see the effect of financial fair play, but it doesn't look rosy. Selling players like Andy Carroll doesn't help. Indeed not, but not many clubs can turn down that sort of money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 It's true: from an ownership standpoint, the benefits of placing a few places higher in the Premiership are disproportionately miniscule compared to the money you'd need to spend to do so. Yip. The big mular for football clubs comes from TV revenue, ticket sales, sponsorship etc. The 500k or so each place is worth in terms of prize money is miniscule in the grander scheme of things. It's something that I honestly think is going to happen with every club in the league pretty much. Man United, Liverpool, City and Chelsea have the funding to splash big, Arsenal and Spurs are ran well enough as businesses to cling onto their tails. Everybody else is set to be stuck behind a glass ceiling that is pointless to try and break through, because it would take an absolute fortune just to get close. Look at Villa for example, they're seemingly cutting their cloth accordingly now. 2 biggest players out for close to £40 million, one replacement in - now McLeish has been told to work with what he's got. The depressing reality is the league is going to be completely split in two from now on and the big money men are heading abroad to purchase clubs where success is easier to buy. Where do you think our TV revenue, ticket sales, sponsorship money etc is going? Maybe trying to get the overdraft down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Sewelly's post on the state of the current league is spot on like, it's fucking depressing as hell to be stuck amongst the shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 http://i53.tinypic.com/x1zwus.jpg on nom nom c**t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was talking about this with my mackem mate the other night, he basically says he's given up on football because it's impossible for clubs like ours to progress. I'm still not sure I believe that entirely, and we'll see the effect of financial fair play, but it doesn't look rosy. Selling players like Andy Carroll doesn't help. Indeed not, but not many clubs can turn down that sort of money. Besides that, let's not kid ourselves. If Carroll's development didn't stall and he became a top striker, he was never going to be ours for very long anyway and we probably wouldn't have gotten 35m for him if we sold him later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was talking about this with my mackem mate the other night, he basically says he's given up on football because it's impossible for clubs like ours to progress. I'm still not sure I believe that entirely, and we'll see the effect of financial fair play, but it doesn't look rosy. IMO I don't really mind. For me Newcastle has always been like this and I'll enjoy every matchday as it comes without particularly worrying about where we finish at the end of the season. As long as we don't get relegated it's fine and if we do better than expected that's a nice bonus. Couldn't care less who actually wins the title, or about the entire Champions League for that matter. Might as well be a completely different sport. I feel the same really, as long as we compete week-to-week and have a decent team to get behind it's fine. I can remember when we getting to the latter stages of the Champions League though, wouldn't mind another taste of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Between a rock and a hard place ever since we listed him. Taking him off and the board lose face. It is clear pardew wants to keep him but we have no choice but to accept offers under the position joeys has placed himself (with help from the goons upstairs). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If Barton didn't have a lot of previous there'd be a ton of clubs going for him. Clubs are staying away because of his reputation and they're afraid he'll unsettle things, not because of his ability as a player. No top club would go near him, man, and it's nothing to do with his repuation. I don't understand how people can watch the likes of Man United play the other night, or Arsenal and Spurs at their best and think he could fit into their midfields. He'd be a fish out of water, man. I'm surprised somebody like Stoke or another mid-table club hasn't put the cash up for him, mind. He's not top 4 material, no one is saying he is. He's good enough for the likes of Everton, Villa, Bolton etc though. Fair enough, aye. Like jdc said though it's hard to justify his wages for those teams. Seems with QPR we've got a West Ham style scenario in terms of loudmouth ownership appeasing fans by signing an English player with an inflated reputation, who's much better than what they have and thus justifying a big, long-term contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WashyGeordie Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If he goes to QPR i'll be gob smacked like, but surely it'd be solely money reasons, as what would really motivate him other than that, to join a newly promoted team who tbh, have more chance of going down atm than us - and surely i'm not being biased. And another thing, how much of a coincidence is it that a SSN reporter was travelling down on the train with him... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was talking about this with my mackem mate the other night, he basically says he's given up on football because it's impossible for clubs like ours to progress. I'm still not sure I believe that entirely, and we'll see the effect of financial fair play, but it doesn't look rosy. Selling players like Andy Carroll doesn't help. Indeed not, but not many clubs can turn down that sort of money. Besides that, let's not kid ourselves. If Carroll's development didn't stall and he became a top striker, he was never going to be ours for very long anyway and we probably wouldn't have gotten 35m for him if we sold him later. Speaking of Carroll he has been awful recently. Got halled off early against arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was talking about this with my mackem mate the other night, he basically says he's given up on football because it's impossible for clubs like ours to progress. I'm still not sure I believe that entirely, and we'll see the effect of financial fair play, but it doesn't look rosy. Selling players like Andy Carroll doesn't help. Indeed not, but not many clubs can turn down that sort of money. Besides that, let's not kid ourselves. If Carroll's development didn't stall and he became a top striker, he was never going to be ours for very long anyway and we probably wouldn't have gotten 35m for him if we sold him later. Speaking of Carroll he has been awful recently. Got halled off early against arsenal. They are already complaining about how he makes them play long ball football. Not his fault, but it could mean his rapid transition to the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was talking about this with my mackem mate the other night, he basically says he's given up on football because it's impossible for clubs like ours to progress. I'm still not sure I believe that entirely, and we'll see the effect of financial fair play, but it doesn't look rosy. Selling players like Andy Carroll doesn't help. Indeed not, but not many clubs can turn down that sort of money. Besides that, let's not kid ourselves. If Carroll's development didn't stall and he became a top striker, he was never going to be ours for very long anyway and we probably wouldn't have gotten 35m for him if we sold him later. Speaking of Carroll he has been awful recently. Got halled off early against arsenal. They are already complaining about how he makes them play long ball football. Not his fault, but it could mean his rapid transition to the bench. Here's wishing. Welcome him back with open arms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If he goes to QPR i'll be gob smacked like, but surely it'd be solely money reasons, as what would really motivate him other than that, to join a newly promoted team who tbh, have more chance of going down atm than us - and surely i'm not being biased. And another thing, how much of a coincidence is it that a SSN reporter was travelling down on the train with him... He loves the attention, that's for sure. Roll up, roll up..the Barton show is in town. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was talking about this with my mackem mate the other night, he basically says he's given up on football because it's impossible for clubs like ours to progress. I'm still not sure I believe that entirely, and we'll see the effect of financial fair play, but it doesn't look rosy. Selling players like Andy Carroll doesn't help. Indeed not, but not many clubs can turn down that sort of money. Besides that, let's not kid ourselves. If Carroll's development didn't stall and he became a top striker, he was never going to be ours for very long anyway and we probably wouldn't have gotten 35m for him if we sold him later. Speaking of Carroll he has been awful recently. Got halled off early against arsenal. They are already complaining about how he makes them play long ball football. Not his fault, but it could mean his rapid transition to the bench. Aye, I see kenny's even resorted to blaming himself for his dip in form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was talking about this with my mackem mate the other night, he basically says he's given up on football because it's impossible for clubs like ours to progress. I'm still not sure I believe that entirely, and we'll see the effect of financial fair play, but it doesn't look rosy. IMO I don't really mind. For me Newcastle has always been like this and I'll enjoy every matchday as it comes without particularly worrying about where we finish at the end of the season. As long as we don't get relegated it's fine and if we do better than expected that's a nice bonus. Couldn't care less who actually wins the title, or about the entire Champions League for that matter. Might as well be a completely different sport. I feel the same really, as long as we compete week-to-week and have a decent team to get behind it's fine. I can remember when we getting to the latter stages of the Champions League though, wouldn't mind another taste of that. Totally agree but we could easily be topping that second league with a modicum of ambition rather seemingly settle on just not going down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was talking about this with my mackem mate the other night, he basically says he's given up on football because it's impossible for clubs like ours to progress. I'm still not sure I believe that entirely, and we'll see the effect of financial fair play, but it doesn't look rosy. IMO I don't really mind. For me Newcastle has always been like this and I'll enjoy every matchday as it comes without particularly worrying about where we finish at the end of the season. As long as we don't get relegated it's fine and if we do better than expected that's a nice bonus. Couldn't care less who actually wins the title, or about the entire Champions League for that matter. Might as well be a completely different sport. I feel the same really, as long as we compete week-to-week and have a decent team to get behind it's fine. I can remember when we getting to the latter stages of the Champions League though, wouldn't mind another taste of that. Totally agree but we could easily be topping that second league with a modicum of ambition rather seemingly settle on just not going down. (From an owner's standpoint) What's the point of spending an extra 20m just to have a shot at topping the second league? How does that help him at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Not even going to worry myself with this. I'm done with caring about our transfers/off-field problems until January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Wouldve thought a team in 7th would be a better proposition to buy than one in 17th. You can be well run and still show ambition The fact we're even discussing this is a fucking shame like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 The higher up the league you are the more revenue you gt across the board mind n't just prize money. Sponsorship, TV, potential to put prices up, attendances ex etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Very generous gesture by the club to give him a free, but as someone said earlier if only West Ham and QPR have shown interest on a free basis then there probably wasn't a fee to be had. Good luck Joey - hope you find the sanity to go with your obvious intelligence one day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Thought this was over with, ugh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Deleting all the NUFC players off twitter is a strange move... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Deleting all the NUFC players off twitter is a strange move... its that I'm struggling to make any sense of Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Deleting all the NUFC players off twitter is a strange move... its that I'm struggling to make any sense of Severing all his ties with the club, so in that sense he's definitely off... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest H09 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Did he really delete them off twitter? When I looked a month ago he was not following anyone other than Simpson. I posted on here wondering why he didn't follow Jonas and co. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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