gazzaA2 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 LOL your funny I'll give you that much. Are you a Liverpool fan or an Everton fan by the way ? Erm I support Newcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Just checking You need your black and white specks adjusting abit then their in overdrive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vincent V Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 to be fair to o'leary, he dilevered them with 6th and 10th, and then granted, 16th, but ut appears that there were awful conditions going on with doug ellis at the time. the flip side of that is we also have awful conditions at board level, so will he deliver the same? He had no money to spend at Villa and took a poor squad into the top 6. The team we have now is better than that Villa side he had. This lad has no grip reality What you smoking to think that Villa side was worse than our current team !! Okay then its worse than the one they went down with. They finished 6th (nearly 4th) with this team in 03/04: Thomas Sorensen - No better than Harper Defenders Ronny Johnsen - Taylor is better Olof Mellberg - Him and Bassong about the same Lloyd J. Samuel - Rather have Enrique Ulises De La Cruz - Beye is better Midfielders Gareth Barry - Better than Duff Thomas Hitzlsperger - Smith is better Lee Hendrie - Nolan is better Gavin McCann - Butt is better Forwards Juan Pablo Angel - Rather have Viduka or Owen Darius Vassell - Rather have Martins And you don't want O'Leary. Okay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 It really looks like "When Ashley stays.." instead of "if" right now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Gazza your evaluation of our players current ability in comparison to how those villa players played back then is pretty disasterously bad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 to be fair to o'leary, he dilevered them with 6th and 10th, and then granted, 16th, but ut appears that there were awful conditions going on with doug ellis at the time. the flip side of that is we also have awful conditions at board level, so will he deliver the same? He had no money to spend at Villa and took a poor squad into the top 6. The team we have now is better than that Villa side he had. What you smoking to think that Villa side was worse than our current team !! Okay then its worse than the one they went down with. They finished 6th (nearly 4th) with this team in 03/04: Thomas Sorensen - No better than Harper Defenders Ronny Johnsen - Taylor is better Olof Mellberg - Him and Bassong about the same Lloyd J. Samuel - Rather have Enrique Ulises De La Cruz - Beye is better. Midfielders Gareth Barry - Better than Duff Thomas Hitzlsperger - Smith is better Lee Hendrie - Nolan is better Gavin McCann - Butt is better Forwards Juan Pablo Angel - Rather have Viduka or Owen Darius Vassell - Rather have Martins And you don't want O'Leary. Okay. Uh, even if you were correct you do realise that "The team we have now" doesn't include Viduka, Owen, Martins, Bassong or Beye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzaA2 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 to be fair to o'leary, he dilevered them with 6th and 10th, and then granted, 16th, but ut appears that there were awful conditions going on with doug ellis at the time. the flip side of that is we also have awful conditions at board level, so will he deliver the same? He had no money to spend at Villa and took a poor squad into the top 6. The team we have now is better than that Villa side he had. What you smoking to think that Villa side was worse than our current team !! Okay then its worse than the one they went down with. They finished 6th (nearly 4th) with this team in 03/04: Thomas Sorensen - No better than Harper Defenders Ronny Johnsen - Taylor is better Olof Mellberg - Him and Bassong about the same Lloyd J. Samuel - Rather have Enrique Ulises De La Cruz - Beye is better Midfielders Gareth Barry - Better than Duff Thomas Hitzlsperger - Smith is better Lee Hendrie - Nolan is better Gavin McCann - Butt is better Forwards Juan Pablo Angel - Rather have Viduka or Owen Darius Vassell - Rather have Martins And you don't want O'Leary. Okay. Uh, even if you were correct you do realise that "The team we have now" doesn't include Viduka, Owen, Martins, Bassong or Beye. Hence me saying instead then that the team that went down were better than O'Leary's Villa. Now we've been decimated somewhat admittedly but the difference on paper isn't that insurmountable to think that if we could get DOL then he'd take us back up and then perform better in the Prem because of his track record. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I believe this is the squad from that period: GK 25 Peter Enckelman, 1 Thomas Sorensen, 13 Stefan Postma Defenders 27 Ronny Johnsen, 4 Olof Mellberg, 3 Lloyd J. Samuel, 6 Gareth Barry, 2 Mark Delaney, 29 Rob Edwards, 15 Ulises De La Cruz Midfielders 17 Pete Whittingham, 12 Thomas Hitzlsperger, 30 Stephen Cooke, 20 Mustapha Hadji, 7 Lee Hendrie, 23 Stefan Moore, 26 Mark Kinsella, 8 Gavin McCann Forwards 18 Juan Pablo Angel, 10 Darius Vassell, 14 Marcus Allback, 16 Peter Crouch, 9 Dion Dublin Lets be honest here Angel was outstanding that season. Sorensen was still playing at his peak, Hendrie was able to get a game and play well and Gavin McCann never looked as bad as he did at the mackems. Vassell had the pace to match up with Angel and the team just worked well together. It had a good mix of youth and experience and could have very easily pushed on from there if it was backed which it wasn't. The fact is the squad was about ten times as good as ours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzaA2 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I believe this is the squad from that period: GK 25 Peter Enckelman, 1 Thomas Sorensen, 13 Stefan Postma Defenders 27 Ronny Johnsen, 4 Olof Mellberg, 3 Lloyd J. Samuel, 6 Gareth Barry, 2 Mark Delaney, 29 Rob Edwards, 15 Ulises De La Cruz Midfielders 17 Pete Whittingham, 12 Thomas Hitzlsperger, 30 Stephen Cooke, 20 Mustapha Hadji, 7 Lee Hendrie, 23 Stefan Moore, 26 Mark Kinsella, 8 Gavin McCann Forwards 18 Juan Pablo Angel, 10 Darius Vassell, 14 Marcus Allback, 16 Peter Crouch, 9 Dion Dublin Lets be honest here Angel was outstanding that season. Sorensen was still playing at his peak, Hendrie was able to get a game and play well and Gavin McCann never looked as bad as he did at the mackems. Vassell had the pace to match up with Angel and the team just worked well together. It had a good mix of youth and experience and could have very easily pushed on from there if it was backed which it wasn't. The fact is the squad was about ten times as good as ours. And O'Leary should take credit for that and getting the best out of players, who haven't had blidning careers otherwise, which is the whole point. Had he been backed, he could have really pushed them on but he wasn't given the money to spend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I believe this is the squad from that period: GK 25 Peter Enckelman, 1 Thomas Sorensen, 13 Stefan Postma Defenders 27 Ronny Johnsen, 4 Olof Mellberg, 3 Lloyd J. Samuel, 6 Gareth Barry, 2 Mark Delaney, 29 Rob Edwards, 15 Ulises De La Cruz Midfielders 17 Pete Whittingham, 12 Thomas Hitzlsperger, 30 Stephen Cooke, 20 Mustapha Hadji, 7 Lee Hendrie, 23 Stefan Moore, 26 Mark Kinsella, 8 Gavin McCann Forwards 18 Juan Pablo Angel, 10 Darius Vassell, 14 Marcus Allback, 16 Peter Crouch, 9 Dion Dublin Lets be honest here Angel was outstanding that season. Sorensen was still playing at his peak, Hendrie was able to get a game and play well and Gavin McCann never looked as bad as he did at the mackems. Vassell had the pace to match up with Angel and the team just worked well together. It had a good mix of youth and experience and could have very easily pushed on from there if it was backed which it wasn't. The fact is the squad was about ten times as good as ours. And O'Leary should take credit for that and getting the best out of players, who haven't had blidning careers otherwise, which is the whole point. Had he been backed, he could have really pushed them on but he wasn't given the money to spend. The team were there before he came why should he get the credit for them ? Ask a Villa fan why they hated him so much if you want the true feeling of David Oleary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 You guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzaA2 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I believe this is the squad from that period: GK 25 Peter Enckelman, 1 Thomas Sorensen, 13 Stefan Postma Defenders 27 Ronny Johnsen, 4 Olof Mellberg, 3 Lloyd J. Samuel, 6 Gareth Barry, 2 Mark Delaney, 29 Rob Edwards, 15 Ulises De La Cruz Midfielders 17 Pete Whittingham, 12 Thomas Hitzlsperger, 30 Stephen Cooke, 20 Mustapha Hadji, 7 Lee Hendrie, 23 Stefan Moore, 26 Mark Kinsella, 8 Gavin McCann Forwards 18 Juan Pablo Angel, 10 Darius Vassell, 14 Marcus Allback, 16 Peter Crouch, 9 Dion Dublin Lets be honest here Angel was outstanding that season. Sorensen was still playing at his peak, Hendrie was able to get a game and play well and Gavin McCann never looked as bad as he did at the mackems. Vassell had the pace to match up with Angel and the team just worked well together. It had a good mix of youth and experience and could have very easily pushed on from there if it was backed which it wasn't. The fact is the squad was about ten times as good as ours. And O'Leary should take credit for that and getting the best out of players, who haven't had blidning careers otherwise, which is the whole point. Had he been backed, he could have really pushed them on but he wasn't given the money to spend. The team were there before he came why should he get the credit for them ? Ask a Villa fan why they hated him so much if you want the true feeling of David Oleary. They don't all hate him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Yes they do. I live among the Villa fans. Are you on a wind up mission? hes a useless manager, part responsible for the Leeds fiasco who we are trying to copy it would seem, and pathetically hopeless in his excuses at Villa of it being everyones fault but his while there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCW1983 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I couldnt take another "O'deary O'leary" slogan from the sun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzaA2 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Yes they do. I live among the Villa fans. Are you on a wind up mission? hes a useless manager, part responsible for the Leeds fiasco who we are trying to copy it would seem, and pathetically hopeless in his excuses at Villa of it being everyones fault but his while there. I read a thread on their forum a couple of months ago (villa talk). I can't find the link but alot of them were saying that in hindsight he did a good job and that O'neill hasn't been able to push Villa any further than O'Leary did and with more money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robm Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Well they are pissing themselves laughing about us being linked with him now http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=32879&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=315 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Well they are pissing themselves laughing about us being linked with him now http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=32879&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=315 Nice to read how hated we are. I hope Randy Lerner goes insane and does a 'Mike Ashley' on Aston Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby_solano Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Well they are pissing themselves laughing about us being linked with him now http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=32879&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=315 Nice to read how hated we are. I hope Randy Lerner goes insane and does a 'Mike Ashley' on Aston Villa. well i can see it becoming hull or sunderland soon. deluded geordies will give way to deluded mackems after a while Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 No different to what you'd see on here about Allardyce, on a Celtic board about Strachan or West ham one about Curbishley. And I would take any of them at the moment. This post on Villa talk sums it it up best i think. "O'Leary is a good coach and not a bad tactician who has terrible man management skills and poor judgement in the transfer market. I can't see how he can be good for Newcastle at all" Well it would be a step up from someone who cant coach, doesn't understand tactics, has terrible man management skills, doesn't wash and is useless in the transfer market like we had for most of last season and probably will have again soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Well they are pissing themselves laughing about us being linked with him now http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=32879&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=315 More unhealthy interest in NUFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Mag Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I think if he did come I think big Roy Aitken, who seems pretty settled working with McLeish at Birmingham, at would be a miss from the set up he is used to working within... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Better than bringing back JFK or sticking with CH, and really that's the 3 main options it seems right now since nee fuker wants to buy us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Better than bringing back JFK or sticking with CH, and really that's the 3 main options it seems right now since nee fuker wants to buy us. The problem is the squad would get nothing. O'Leary would no doubt think everyone was 'quality', there would be nothing to spend and even if there was - who would want to sign for a manager on a short-term contract for a short-term owner? As if we've come to this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Better than bringing back JFK or sticking with CH, and really that's the 3 main options it seems right now since nee fuker wants to buy us. The problem is the squad would get nothing. O'Leary would no doubt think everyone was 'quality', there would be nothing to spend and even if there was - who would want to sign for a manager on a short-term contract for a short-term owner? As if we've come to this. I believe that Ashley taking the club off the market,and O'Leary coming are linked and therefore it wouldn't be a short term contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Better than bringing back JFK or sticking with CH, and really that's the 3 main options it seems right now since nee fuker wants to buy us. The problem is the squad would get nothing. O'Leary would no doubt think everyone was 'quality', there would be nothing to spend and even if there was - who would want to sign for a manager on a short-term contract for a short-term owner? As if we've come to this. I believe that Ashley taking the club off the market,and O'Leary coming are linked and therefore it wouldn't be a short term contract. 1 year rolling would be my guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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