ChezGiven Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Aye, it feels a bit like 2 steps forward, one step back to me. Villa win and Wolves draw - Blackpool defeat Everton win and Chelsea win - Stoke defeat It needs addressing like. We'd be a top 6 team if we did, which we're clearly not. We're going to get results like this, have very erratic form, and as long as we bumble along to over 40 points, then that'll do me. We would have been 2nd in the league last sunday if we had won those two games. Realistic expectations and all that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 We played Everton and Villa at exactly the right time. I'm not sure how anyone can look at our first 6 league games and be fully confident of survival. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Don't get me wrong NUT, I agree completely. Anything above the relegation zone will do me atm. I'm just concerned about form. We're getting results in the games we stand no chance in, but that won't last. We can't win the games that we should be winning, but we need to start to otherwise we won't get over that 40 mark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 We played Everton and Villa at exactly the right time. I'm not sure how anyone can look at our first 6 league games and be fully confident of survival. So you'd only be confident of survival if we were equal 2nd with Man U? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 If we'd got points off our relegation rivals i might be, to some extent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 If we'd got points off our relegation rivals i might be, to some extent. Whilst i fully understand where you are coming from, its still a bit like dismissing Arsenal's game against West Brom as an indicator of whether they can compete for the title as it wasnt a game against their rivals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 I'm not completely dismissing the Villa and Everton games. Just think they tell us little about our prospects for the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spike Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Getting points of Blackpool and Stoke would do me. Someone ban this half-wit, please. Bit harsh on half-wits tbh. Ronaldo is a dictator who wants to hear his kind of opinion or else don't like it thats why he want me ban..... If he is a leader of some third world country I am sure he want me Killed. he isn't in the same league as Robert Mugabe though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 I'm not completely dismissing the Villa and Everton games. Just think they tell us little about our prospects for the season. Reverse the situation, we lost to both Villa and Everton but beat Blackpool and Stoke. Still on 7 points and happier? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Yes, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Yes, tbh. I agree - those games are '6 pointers' because they pull the other sides into the scrap ; Everton and Villa are NOT going to be fighting relegation. Stoke might have been if we had beaten them.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 32 games to go, people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Fair enough. More comfortable is the way I'd put it. Our form has been more promising than the alternative of beating rivals and losing when we're expected to, lets us have bigger ideas about the future, but if we'd emphatically smashed Stoke and Wolves instead, I'd probably feel it was less likely we're gonna nosedive at some point in the season. It would promise less in the short/medium term, but feel more reliable. At the moment, you have to worry we'll keep picking up losses in 6 pointers and help our rivals, but at some time forget how to beat the big teams or run out of luck against them or whatever the pessimistic slant would be that you'd want to put on our victories. We'll only know at the end of the season that we can keep doing what we've been doing - and if we can and do, then it'll be time for a big inquest into just why we're like that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Yes, tbh. I agree - those games are '6 pointers' because they pull the other sides into the scrap ; Everton and Villa are NOT going to be fighting relegation. Stoke might have been if we had beaten them.... stoke were never relegation material tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Might be a masterstroke if dropping Carroll for a game we're not expected to get anything from gets a positive reaction for the Wigan match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Carroll hasn't really been on it since he injured his ankle, it is quite possible that he isn't properly fit and our lack of decent alternatives means he's had to play while not at his best. However it disappoints me that while the players Hughton didn't sign can be dropped for poor form, those he did sign play despite one being the worst player we've had this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Drops Carroll because of his underpar performance but Nolan starts......hmmmmmm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Drops Carroll because of his underpar performance but Nolan starts......hmmmmmm. Aye, the one player who has offered something up front is dropped while the one who offers nothing plays, try working that one out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikri Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Drops Carroll because of his underpar performance but Nolan starts......hmmmmmm. Just bizarre. Carroll was poor because the entire game plan against Stoke failed. Plan A (get crosses into Carroll's head & hope for a flick-on or header on target) didn't work because the Stoke defenders were better than Carroll in the air and there was no Plan B. When we played the ball on the ground we looked comfortable in possession and we were always going to get chances from free-kicks around the box but we kept on persisting with the same tactics for 90 minutes even though it was obvious they weren't going to work after 10 minutes. If Carroll has been dropped because he was under par against Stoke what the fuck is Nolan doing on the pitch. Carroll's failure was down to the team & tactics, what's Nolan's excuse for his abysmal performance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Well there goes the 'drop Nolan' idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Well there goes the 'drop Nolan' idea. Good news for Hughton. Something to blame when he takes us down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MrBrown Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 I don't think he's being given enough credit for the football we're trying to play this season. It's some nice stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Hoping it could also be a way to ease back into a 4 4 2, Hughton might find it easier to drop Nolan for Carroll than Nolan for Shola..if that makes sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Not sure what's going on at half time, two games in a row we've got an advantage of sorts at the end of ther first half just to come out utterly toothless & completely lacking in ideas in the second half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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