Ronaldo Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Probably been said before, but I reckon he's nailed on to go to Birmingham. Hope so, he's garbage. A 'garbage' footballer wouldn't have walked into the best side in The Championship and improved them hugely, which he's done twice in consecutive seasons, btw. We have plenty of garbage footballers, but Routledge isn't one of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Regardless of his ability to play in the PL, I think he would have made a significant difference in some of the games he missed between January and the Summer. Most notably, running out the game in the Sunderland/Spurs games, injecting a bit of pace into the lacklustre second half against Everton and the trip to Villa where we looked unbalanced, mismatched and off the pace. Letting him go was bad. Not replacing him was criminal. I said when we let Routledge go in January it might give more opportunities for Ferguson. Of those games you mentioned we had Routledge as an unused substitute at Sunderland, and Ferguson was an unused sub against Spurs & Villa. We had pace if we wanted to go down that route but Pardew decided on bringing on Gosling & Perch instead. That's tactical, and I'm sure in the situation many managers would have went down the "hang on to 1-0" route rather than bring on pace at that stage. We also finished the game against Everton with Jonas & Ferguson on the wings, that defeat was just down to Everton being better on the day than anything else. Amazed at how much has been played on Wayne smegging Routledge leaving. Personally don't think that much is being 'played' on him leaving tbh I just think he's more useful than the majority of this forum gives him credit for, and we certainly missed him (or his space in the squad) whilst he was at QPR. The Wigan (a) game is testament to what affect he could have had in seeing out a 1-0 victory though. We just gave him the ball and he ran it across the halfway line and down the wing. He's also capable of offering something different. Against Villa we looked very one paced and our midfield was so unbalanced, with Barton drifting inside and practically every single attack going down the left. Everton were there for the taking IMO. And we simply ran out of ideas. That's as well as throwing more players out of position than was necessary. Simpson on the wing man, it could have so easily have been avoided. I'm not pretending he's capable of stepping up to the PL, but it was a mistake to let him go. Again, we had Routledge available for Sunderland but I think by that point it was clear Pardew had no faith in him after the Stevenage farce, and for the Everton game, and we had Ferguson. Letting him go had no affect on our season at all imo, against Villa he could have put Jonas right and Ferguson left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Probably been said before, but I reckon he's nailed on to go to Birmingham. Hope so, he's garbage. A 'garbage' footballer wouldn't have walked into the best side in The Championship and improved them hugely, which he's done twice in consecutive seasons, btw. We have plenty of garbage footballers, but Routledge isn't one of them. When Lovenkrands started playing regularly for us in The Championship, he improved our team as well. Yet you still call him garbage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 The problem for me is if we don't get shot of him Ashley might use that as an excuse not to sign Zog as he plays in that position and we'll be paying an extra salary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Probably been said before, but I reckon he's nailed on to go to Birmingham. Hope so, he's garbage. A 'garbage' footballer wouldn't have walked into the best side in The Championship and improved them hugely, which he's done twice in consecutive seasons, btw. We have plenty of garbage footballers, but Routledge isn't one of them. When Lovenkrands started playing regularly for us in The Championship, he improved our team as well. Yet you still call him garbage. Perhaps because the alternative was 4-5-1? The improvement was far, far more noticeable with Wayne on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Probably been said before, but I reckon he's nailed on to go to Birmingham. Hope so, he's garbage. A 'garbage' footballer wouldn't have walked into the best side in The Championship and improved them hugely, which he's done twice in consecutive seasons, btw. We have plenty of garbage footballers, but Routledge isn't one of them. When Lovenkrands started playing regularly for us in The Championship, he improved our team as well. Yet you still call him garbage. Perhaps because the alternative was 4-5-1? The improvement was far, far more noticeable with Wayne on the pitch. And Lovenkrands as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Stupid and pointless to get rid of Routledge, even more so if Joey ends up leaving and we need other options down the right. How about getting rid of people that have proved to be garbage like Ryan Taylor and Guthrie. He was class for us in the Championship and for QPR when he went on loan. He didn't get a fair crack of the whip when we came up, he deserves a chance even if only as a substitute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Not sure how it can be classed as stupid and pointless selling a player who's clearly not Premier League level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Probably been said before, but I reckon he's nailed on to go to Birmingham. Hope so, he's garbage. A 'garbage' footballer wouldn't have walked into the best side in The Championship and improved them hugely, which he's done twice in consecutive seasons, btw. We have plenty of garbage footballers, but Routledge isn't one of them. When Lovenkrands started playing regularly for us in The Championship, he improved our team as well. Yet you still call him garbage. Perhaps because the alternative was 4-5-1? The improvement was far, far more noticeable with Wayne on the pitch. And Lovenkrands as well. Lovenkrands was anonymous in many of our games. Can't say the same about Wayne. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Probably been said before, but I reckon he's nailed on to go to Birmingham. Hope so, he's garbage. A 'garbage' footballer wouldn't have walked into the best side in The Championship and improved them hugely, which he's done twice in consecutive seasons, btw. We have plenty of garbage footballers, but Routledge isn't one of them. When Lovenkrands started playing regularly for us in The Championship, he improved our team as well. Yet you still call him garbage. Perhaps because the alternative was 4-5-1? The improvement was far, far more noticeable with Wayne on the pitch. And Lovenkrands as well. Lovenkrands was anonymous in many of our games. Can't say the same about Wayne. They were both an integral part of our success - as soon as we bought Routledge and Lovenkrands played up front in the 4-4-2, that's when we started really dominating teams. Routledge's general play played a huge part in our upturn in form, as did Lovenkrands goals and his movement. At the end of the day, neither are good enough to be consistent performers in the Premier League. Lovenkrands due to his age and declining ability. Routledge due to this apparent mental block that he has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Not sure how it can be classed as stupid and pointless selling a player who's clearly not Premier League level. Exactly. What difference does it make what he's achieved in the Championship when he's flopped every time he's given a shot at the top level? Even with Carroll to aim for we still didn't get decent service in to him until Barton took over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Lovenkrands did have poor games in the Championship but so did Carroll, he was by and large shite up until about late December (the WBA cup game and Cardiff Friday night game being the turning points). It's poor criteria to base everything on, really. I'd group Routledge along with Lovenkrands and Guthrie that he's useful against the bottom 6 or 7 sides but other than that he'll struggle in the majority of games at Premier League level. I say majority because Ronaldo will say he did well against A.Cole, which he did tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Routledge didnt start the prem season to badly. I remember him rounding the keeper against wolves at one point & being unlucky not to set up an easy tap in. It was his crossfield run that got the ball to Ben Arfa against Everton to even though that was quite an individual goal in the end. Think the longer he went without having a direct impact on games the more his confidence was effected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Regardless of how good/bad he may be, it was unfair of Pardew to say what he did in January, especially when there are far bigger shysters right under his nose. It can't be good for his already weak mentality if he does stay. Contrary to my last post in this thread i kinda enjoyed the ruthlessness on that occasion. He was far from good enough and told to sling his hook; a message to the rest of the squad. Not replacing him was the cardinal error. A completely unhelpful message abjectly delivered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Stupid and pointless to get rid of Routledge, even more so if Joey ends up leaving and we need other options down the right. How about getting rid of people that have proved to be garbage like Ryan Taylor and Guthrie. He was class for us in the Championship and for QPR when he went on loan. He didn't get a fair crack of the whip when we came up, he deserves a chance even if only as a substitute. Would like all three gone really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 I think he's a keeper.... as a squad player. Sell Løvenkrands instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Was excellent in the championship but you just get the feeling he hasn't the mental strength for the PL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Was excellent in the championship but you just get the feeling he hasn't the mental strength for the PL , it's a shame really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Was excellent in the championship but you just get the feeling he hasn't the mental strength for the PL he'll do good as a backup player for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Nah, he just doesn't have enough quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Said all along that he'd offer us pace off the bench if we're chasing a game and need a goal. That said, the likes of Marveaux coming into the squad offer that same threat but will probably have a better all-round game. Usually seemed to try his best but just not quite good enough to start in the PL week in week out. He won't be short of offers from the likes of Birmingham, Leicester and Cardiff etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Nah, he just doesn't have enough quality. Agreed. If he's not good enough for this league he's not good enough to keep even as cover. You can't keep him and play him just praying for a game like he played at home to Villa or Chelsea because they were very isolated, and not worth sticking with just on the off chance he'll repeat that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Said it was a bad decision to loan him out at the time last season, but frankly if he's not completely marginalised by new signings in this window then we've failed big time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news//tm_headline=wayne-routledge-qpr-deal-hits-snag%26method=full%26objectid=28938232%26siteid=61634-name_page.html Wayne Routledge QPR deal hits snag by Luke Edwards, The Journal Jun 25 2011 WAYNE Routledge's permanent transfer to Queens Park Rangers has stalled because the winger is waiting for a so-called "loyalty" payment from Newcastle United before he agrees to the move. Routledge is holding out for the six-figure sum as he did not ask for a transfer, even though United have agreed a fee with QPR and he has accepted personal terms. Whether the stalemate continues once pre-season training gets under way remains to be seen, but The Journal understands the club will not be paying the money to Routledge. As things stand, the winger is expected to report for the start of pre-season training – even though he spent the last half of the previous campaign on loan at Loftus Road and has made it clear he wants to sign for them on a permanent basis. QPR boss Neil Warnock is still keen to bring Routledge into his squad following his side’s promotion to the Premier League. While ex-Newcastle boss Chris Hughton – now in charge of Birmingham – would also like to take the former Tottenham prospect to St Andrew’s following his appointment as manager this week, QPR remain in pole position ti sign him. United are happy to let Routledge leave as manager Alan Pardew does not think he is good enough for a top-half-of-the-table Premier League side. However, they do not see why they should have to compensate him for that move after just 18 months on Tyneside – six of which he was a QPR player. In reality, Routledge is likely to break first. Although he has every right to remain on Tyneside for the remaining year of his contract, he will hardly be involved in the first team following the signing of Sylvain Marveaux and the return to fitness of Hatem Ben Arfa. In contrast, he is expected to be a key member of the side under Warnock and will also be able to live in his hometown where he spent much of his spare time, even when playing regularly for the Magpies. Meanwhile, United have not received any bids or enquiries for Argentinian pair Jonás Gutiérrez and Fabricio Coloccini and are not looking to sell either of them. There has been a lot of speculation in recent weeks about the two friends in light of José Enríque’s desire to quit St James’ Park this summer. However, Coloccini’s wages of £86,000-a-week are likely to deter any interest from medium-sized Spanish clubs like Seville. With two years left on his contract, the former Deportivo La Coruna star is “extremely happy” on Tyneside and is also a candidate to replace Kevin Nolan as skipper as he performed the role with some distinction in his absence last term. That is likely to mean Gutiérrez also stays. The winger has been making come and get me glances to Italian clubs as he wants to return to Argentina having played in all three major European leagues. However, his wages of more than £40,000 a week are also off-putting and he is also happy to stay with Newcastle for at least another season, particularly as Coloccini will be there with him. That could change if an acceptable offer is received as the arrival of Marveaux means he is no longer going to be an automatic starter on the left wing – he was a right winger when he signed – but club sources say there has been no sign of one so far this summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JS Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news//tm_headline=wayne-routledge-qpr-deal-hits-snag%26method=full%26objectid=28938232%26siteid=61634-name_page.html Wayne Routledge QPR deal hits snag by Luke Edwards, The Journal Jun 25 2011 WAYNE Routledge's permanent transfer to Queens Park Rangers has stalled because the winger is waiting for a so-called "loyalty" payment from Newcastle United before he agrees to the move. Routledge is holding out for the six-figure sum as he did not ask for a transfer, even though United have agreed a fee with QPR and he has accepted personal terms. Whether the stalemate continues once pre-season training gets under way remains to be seen, but The Journal understands the club will not be paying the money to Routledge. As things stand, the winger is expected to report for the start of pre-season training – even though he spent the last half of the previous campaign on loan at Loftus Road and has made it clear he wants to sign for them on a permanent basis. QPR boss Neil Warnock is still keen to bring Routledge into his squad following his side’s promotion to the Premier League. While ex-Newcastle boss Chris Hughton – now in charge of Birmingham – would also like to take the former Tottenham prospect to St Andrew’s following his appointment as manager this week, QPR remain in pole position ti sign him. United are happy to let Routledge leave as manager Alan Pardew does not think he is good enough for a top-half-of-the-table Premier League side. However, they do not see why they should have to compensate him for that move after just 18 months on Tyneside – six of which he was a QPR player. In reality, Routledge is likely to break first. Although he has every right to remain on Tyneside for the remaining year of his contract, he will hardly be involved in the first team following the signing of Sylvain Marveaux and the return to fitness of Hatem Ben Arfa. In contrast, he is expected to be a key member of the side under Warnock and will also be able to live in his hometown where he spent much of his spare time, even when playing regularly for the Magpies. Meanwhile, United have not received any bids or enquiries for Argentinian pair Jonás Gutiérrez and Fabricio Coloccini and are not looking to sell either of them. There has been a lot of speculation in recent weeks about the two friends in light of José Enríque’s desire to quit St James’ Park this summer. However, Coloccini’s wages of £86,000-a-week are likely to deter any interest from medium-sized Spanish clubs like Seville. With two years left on his contract, the former Deportivo La Coruna star is “extremely happy” on Tyneside and is also a candidate to replace Kevin Nolan as skipper as he performed the role with some distinction in his absence last term. That is likely to mean Gutiérrez also stays. The winger has been making come and get me glances to Italian clubs as he wants to return to Argentina having played in all three major European leagues. However, his wages of more than £40,000 a week are also off-putting and he is also happy to stay with Newcastle for at least another season, particularly as Coloccini will be there with him. That could change if an acceptable offer is received as the arrival of Marveaux means he is no longer going to be an automatic starter on the left wing – he was a right winger when he signed – but club sources say there has been no sign of one so far this summer. QPR can pay his bloody loyalty bonus, Joey Barton saga all over again... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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